Ferrari F2012

[hardingfv32]

Having a look at the picture you can see how truly slanted the wing pylons are in an attempt to creature a Venturi like effect at the air coming under the nose.

What is the reason for the venturi? Vortex formation?

Brian

[bhall]

Reduced pressure = suction = downforce.

EDIT: That probably oversimplifies it. To be more accurate, the pylons reduce the tendency of the standardized center section of the wing to produce lift.

EDIT 2: Given F2012's performance thus far, it could be argued that there's no reason for any of it.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Accelerating the air between the mounting pylons should lower pressure hence provide DF. Also the accelerated air should help the turning vanes to work a little better no?

Edit: I see Bhall beat me to it. Not necessarily make the work better but make them efficient as possible

[Pierce89]

Please please let's keep this topic on technical & the car aspects, not how it might or might now do in Melbourne. I've had enough of that elsewhere today.

I could not agree more. We Ferrari fans get abused on this forum

Back on topic. In the picture at the top, It's interesting how you can see the wing pylons converge ,and then, the turning vanes diverge, creating a HUGE venturi under the nose.It just seems like it could be quite powerful for lowering the pressure under the nose.

[Chuckjr]

[/quote] In the picture at the top, It's interesting how you can see the wing pylons converge ,and then, the turning vanes diverge, creating a HUGE venturi under the nose.It just seems like it could be quite powerful for lowering the pressure under the nose.[/quote]


Your comment above causes me to think that may tie into the reason for such an abrupt nose? Would that tie into what your describing above or are they entirely non related?

[f1316]

Interesting article on the exhaust evolution (even if just for the pictures!)

http://i39.tinypic.com/3515qc6.png

[f1316]

Interesting article on the exhaust evolution (even if just for the pictures!)

http://i39.tinypic.com/3515qc6.png

Translations of the four different stages:

The original version of the exhaust blowing out: it is that made by Ferrari in the first test, but that obviously did not give the expected results to the team from Maranello

Still discharges to the outside initially chosen by the Red: is the evolution of the first, presented in Jerez, and can clearly see the small changes made ​​to the bodywork to fit

A sudden discharges of Barcelona Ferrari blow inwards: the solution is so safe that the body of the F2012 is cut and patched in some fashion, pending the final responses

Over the last two days of testing the Ferrari has continued discharges to blow towards the center of the body is evidently adapted a little better, with this solution is that the Red will debut in Melbourne.

[dren]

The outside blowing is better in terms of total performance if it works; Ferrari were having balance issues with it. They aimed it inwards for less performance, but better drivability. I think Fry said it would have taken them about 4 races to get the exhaust to the outside all worked out. He took the safe route and put the exhaust in. I expect Ferrari to have a very large update by Silverstone that mimics the Mclaren and Red Bull designs. Although, they may have issues with their routing for cooling. Perhaps this is what was giving them problems. Also, all of the teams that want to direct the exhaust in a specific area have channels. This may be needed to help with the exhaust flow.

[f1316]

For what it's worth, @joseluisf1 is reporting this:

En un primer análisis de la telemetría, ayer con la mejor combinación de piezas & setup se ganaron hasta 7 puntos aerodinámicos

In a first analysis of the telemetry, yesterday with the best combination of parts & setup [the Ferrari] gained 7 points to aerodynamic

I have no idea of this guy's credentials - I was told about him by someone on here. I notice he's also followed by Peter Windsor. Interesting if true, anyway.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Barcelona Test 2

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbyH5kQHqM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQMY0iov_Ag[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po620LkZlg8[/youtube]

[raymondu999]

In the first vid Alonso (to me) seems somewhat hesitant to turn into 13 - like he's not sure the rear will stick; so he doesn't give it full pelt. The car seems hell twitchy between 14 and 15 though.

It actually doesn't look too bad in the 2nd vid to me.

[Hail22]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT7ks7I5wxA[/youtube]

Referrence to the F150...seems as if the F2012 has better cornering and throttle control in turn 14...however one is onboard and the other is via track view so who knows.

Thought i would throw the video see if anyone can pick a difference

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Ferrari F2012. Ecapox can you translate the the basic points of the article?

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Wow. Pat Fry's body language in the first 50 seconds I think says it all! It looks as though he's thoroughly despondent, and is expecting a severe uphill struggle. I imagine at that point he has exhausted (hoho!) his obvious ideas for fixing the car, and can't at that moment think of a simple way forward.

Maybe you haven't watched many Pat Fry interviews. He seems the way he always does. If you were to watch the video without the volume turned up & not knowing what he was saying you would see he his smiling quite a bit when speaking. Almost as if it's a joke.

The Ferrari F2012 is nowhere near as bad as people think. The car will be on the first two rows in Melbourne.

Ok fair point. I must admit, pessimism and paranoia are helpful qualities for an engineer to possess.

I think those are god qualities for them to have. And let me admit, I'm trying to be optimistic about this whole situation. Here is some translation of the article I posted earlier. They weren't very nice, but there were some interesting points, such as we never used DRS during the race sim's in Barcelona.

Ferrari F2012


This article is split into pro's and con's
The title reads 'Fear of not getting into Q3'
The subtitle says 'Tires quickly up to operating temperature, good drivability but a lack of downforce and excessive drag.

Reliability:
468 total laps in Barcelona and 2178km total. A lot of running even with a lot of time spent in the garage.
There were some hydraulic problems but nothing dramatic.
KERS worked well and over-heating kept under control.
At least here they have an advantage over their adversaries even if they need to hope for retirements.

First lap performance:
They've overcome the problems of their previous cars being too 'gentle' on the tires and not bringing them up to temperature quick enough.
The car is able to do it's quickest lap right away. The problem is that the lap isn't very quick.
Of course, nobody knows how much fuel the other teams were carrying.
This can give them an advantage in qualifying which is key because the team is worried about making Q3 in Australia and Sepang.

Front suspension:
There were a lot who doubted the choice of a front pull-rod.
There have been no drivability problems with it.
Massa has found a way to improve the steering feel. (I might be interpreting that incorrectly)
Ferrari were correct in saying there is no problem with going to a pull-rod.

Rear end:
The turning in of the exhausts is a classic 'band-aid' solution.
This could cause the F2012 to lose a couple of tenths which could make a huge difference this year.
The countersunk shape of the sidepods is not optimal from an aerodynamic point of view.
Fry says the biggest problem is a general lack of downforce.

Tire wear:
Degradation starts early. 6 laps for the softs, 9 for the mediums.
Massa's Saturday simulation-New soft-used medium-used medium-full wet.
The new softs lost 6-7 tenths just 5 laps into the stint.
It could be because of set-up or because of the 'bad' aerodynamics.

Top speed:
F2012 isn't very fast in a straight line.
No DRS used during race simulation. But the car struggled to break 280km/h over the finish line where others were faster.
It's not known if this was because of tactical reasons or too much drag.

[Mr.G]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmMa7hX ... page#t=14s

He looks like a man that is about to be executed...

I watch the video without sound and after each sentence it looks like he's smiling