Scuderia Ferrari 2012

[Crabbia]

ferrari denies it http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17285060

I don't buy it, lets wait and see in Melbourne shall we?

I sense they are going for a new concept come Melbourne, possibly new sidepods/exhaust considering they will search for 30-40 points of down force.

who knows if we will even notice big difference in melbourne.upgrades may be to small to know if they made new chassis or just small improvements in sidepod area. i mean, they could redesigne chassis and make another crash test and still denie it, it is ferrari.

well no, if they did another crash test there would have to be official documents sent to the FIA which would be in the public domain and not confidential. they could deny it initially but we would definitely hear about it after if they did a second crash test.

[f@natic]

Just wondering.If Ferrari were to only change the exhaust possitiong and outlet covers without afecting any crash impact structure,will that still need to be crash tested?

[fussell]

I think you can see on the pics that only a small panel on the engine cover may need to be changed. I think the side crash tests apply to the area of the cockpit further forward, so if the whole engine cover needs to changed I don't think this will have an effect on the crash structures.

[zoro_f1]

ferrari are working on a new modification of F2012 contender which will require a new crash test!

the source folk's is [here]

[donskar]

Luca de M's recent statements about the F2012 should lay to rest any thought that Ferrari might be sandbagging. This car needs a lot of work, aero for sure and suspension. too, apparently. I'm sure Ferrari are looking longingly at Fiorano and Mugello -- if only they could get the car on track and test . . . What a waste.

[C Plinius Secundus]

According to La Gazzetta dello Sport.

The Leakage.

The F2012 changes again.
Perhaps a new crash test.

Ferrari could show up in Australia with a different shaped F2012. In Maranello the work would be frantic to modify the sidepods, through a chassis review, which would have to undergo a new crash test, in due time, at the Bollate Milano center. This has been possible because FIA has annulled the ban on chassis modifications after its first homologating. Meanwhile, Ferrari wouldn't be the only team, in the previous days to departing for Melbourne, to submit a new crash test.



The drawing shows the new front pull rod suspension, which allows to lower the CoG and improve airflow.

[bitbp]

I heard they wont touch chassis only side shock structures. This would make sense. Maybe they will be adding new sidepod design and also change exaust position. We will see.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Luca de M's recent statements about the F2012 should lay to rest any thought that Ferrari might be sandbagging. This car needs a lot of work, aero for sure and suspension. too, apparently. I'm sure Ferrari are looking longingly at Fiorano and Mugello -- if only they could get the car on track and test . . . What a waste.

There is nothing wrong the F2012's suspension. I'm not quite sure where you come up with that at. Yes the aero needs work for sure.

As for LDM's statement, he didn't say the car was bad. He only referred to the comments from Domenicali & Alonso and said if they were true he wanted to know why & that it would be fixed soon. The team doesn't really know how the car stacks up to the rivals.

[bhall]

The team doesn't really know how the car stacks up to the rivals.

I think the only doubts about Ferrari's relative pace are within this thread. It's otherwise very well publicized. (With great size and no rise. Come on, guys.)

[Afterburner]

There's no fire without smoke and NOW i'm seeing too many smoke!

[Crucial_Xtreme]

The team doesn't really know how the car stacks up to the rivals.

I think the only doubts about Ferrari's relative pace are within this thread. It's otherwise very well publicized. (With great size and no rise. Come on, guys.)

We will see. But since you seem to know so much, where are they at? Many claim they're behind the following: RB, McLaren, Mercedes, Lotus & either FI or STR. You agree?
As I said they're don't know their pace relative to the competition. Pat Fry said "he had to wait to Melbourne to see if he would be very disappointed or only a little dissappointed." But you seem to think you know otherwise.

[bhall]

I think Ferrari and Mercedes will have switched places, and I think Ferrari's relative pace will be closer to that of the Lotuses (Lotii?) than that of Mercedes.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

I think Ferrari and Mercedes will have switched places, and I think Ferrari's relative pace will be closer to that of the Lotuses (Lotii?) than that of Mercedes.

That seems to be the common consensus, yet it's all based off of winter testing of which is notoriously wrong each year. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm only saying we don't know how the car really is & we don't know how fast the fastest are. If Fernando is only a few tenths off, a podium is possible.

But I think all the rumors coming out today are bad. For instance Omnicorse & Gazzetta say the sidepods had to be re-made b/c the car isn't getting enough air to the rear for enough downforce. If true there are serious problems. Serious problems with huge deficiency in the Ferrari aero department. The teams simulations/CFD/Tunnel all need some serious work.

[Maynard G. Krebs]

I think they are sandbagging. They may even be using actual sandbags as ballast to slow themselves down. (Sandbags being a part on the car makes this post go into this thread!)
The reason is because they are very fast and don't want to draw any extra attention to themselves. Ferrari like to be low key and low pressure. That's why the car is red and besides, they don't pay their people enough to have to deal with extra pressure. If they go slow, maybe the Italian press will leave them alone a little bit and the other teams won't realize they are very fast. And it may be working. There doesn't seem to be much attention on Ferrari at all this year.

[amouzouris]

im not saying that this is the real issue..im just suggesting this as one of the quick patch ups they might do if indeed they are struggling...