Scuderia Ferrari 2012

[Redragon]

What about? Make easier the flow on the top instead of the one down. Maybe lowing the inlets and make more pronunciated line on the back to facilitate the flow and direct the exhauts. Something like Sauber or New Redbull. For that you don't need a crash test

[amouzouris]

also..in terms of if they are thinking to change the whole concept of the exhausts....i think that the easier to make would be the mclaren solution...lose the acer ducts and gain the bulge...but i think it is the hardest of the two (between sauber-red bull solution and the mclaren soltion) to get right(angles of the exhaust and the cut on the bulges)....on the other hand the sauber-red bull solution i think would work better out of the box but it would need a major sidepod reshape...so more production work...

[amouzouris]

@bhallgk
i've been trying to understand why 'too good' airflow around the sidepods would produce lift but i can't find why...why do u think is that??

also note the str sidepods...i think the have the cleanest flow...do those produce lift as well??

[radosav]

ferrari isn't sandbaging. they are in trouble. people and newspaper think that ferrari found out that f2012 isn't good at last test. no way! they knew that from the day one test in jerez.they didn't ban their drivers to sa anything, zhey just decided that last day of testing pat fry will tell the world real situation in ferrari. they have probably decided to redesign sidepods at that moment. they brought to last test new sidepod parts to test, with the result that only they know. fernando alonso said few days ago that people guessing things but nobody knows the truth. why did ferrari look bad during tests? cause they probably decided to test ares they can - cooling, reability, suspension and tyre managment as more as they can. that is why we saw photos of tyre data with higher tyre pressure and many other strange things. they are not happy cause they know they will have to sacrifise first four race to solve issues, and that isn't fightin from the begining, what was their goal. all those twitter reports from some people like joseluis or truzone aren't treu, they are only guessing things.

[GrizzleBoy]

@bhallgk
i've been trying to understand why 'too good' airflow around the sidepods would produce lift but i can't find why...why do u think is that??

also note the str sidepods...i think the have the cleanest flow...do those produce lift as well??

/Theory mode engaged

I dont think flow that is simply "too good" will be what creates lift.

If that airflow is getting pushed down towards the floor by the outer extremities of the sidepods (which they basically all are), then that will induce lift as the opposite reaction of the sidepod curvature pushing down on the air, is that the air is also pushing back up on it.

At least that's what I think this is all about

/Theory mode

[Coefficient]

@bhallgk
i've been trying to understand why 'too good' airflow around the sidepods would produce lift but i can't find why...why do u think is that??

also note the str sidepods...i think the have the cleanest flow...do those produce lift as well??

I think the problem arises when the airflow is so good in this area that the pressure above the floor ends up being lower than that below the floor. As I recall the Ferrari that raced just prior to Ross Brawn joining the team years ago was also a double floor layout and was afflicted buy this very problem.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

@bhallgk
i've been trying to understand why 'too good' airflow around the sidepods would produce lift but i can't find why...why do u think is that??

also note the str sidepods...i think the have the cleanest flow...do those produce lift as well??

I think he's talking about lift in the floor

[radosav]

http://www.antena3.com/formula-1/pretem ... 00138.htmltranslate please

[Gridlock]

It doesn't fit in with needing a new crash test, but Ferrari have denied that part of the stor anyway: Maybe the new crash structures are in fact Piola's original 'separated' concept, which IIRC was based on leaks from Maranello?

But then not showing them at the test is too big of a risk, I'd imagine. In any event either ferrari are blagging the biggest sandbagging exercise for years or, there's no smoke without fire and Pat Fry is going to be Public Enemy no. 1 in the Italian sporting press..

[kalinka]

Sorry folks, I have to repost my question from several pages back, to get an opinion, because I'm so curious what you think >

Pat Fry interview detail ( read here on F1T ) :
http://www.f1technical.net/news/17114?s ... 14d7b94c65

Talking about the "to be-revised" exhaust >

"I think we can claw back, at best, at least 25% of the downforce we had last year, even if we need to see what that costs us in fuel consumption and corner turn-in stability. "

That fuel consumption part is interesting. Doesn't it mean that they are still able to use some hot-blowing ? How otherwise could downforce be realated to fuel consumption

So ? What you think ?

[Gridlock]

Fuel makes the car go forwards. Downforce makes the car go down.

You can't get energy for the latter from anywhere other than the former; more df, more fuel.

[radosav]

Sorry folks, I have to repost my question from several pages back, to get an opinion, because I'm so curious what you think >

Pat Fry interview detail ( read here on F1T ) :
http://www.f1technical.net/news/17114?s ... 14d7b94c65

Talking about the "to be-revised" exhaust >

"I think we can claw back, at best, at least 25% of the downforce we had last year, even if we need to see what that costs us in fuel consumption and corner turn-in stability. "

That fuel consumption part is interesting. Doesn't it mean that they are still able to use some hot-blowing ? How otherwise could downforce be realated to fuel consumption

So ? What you think ?

i think he means through fast corners when you press max throtle. more fuel = more exhaust gases = more blowing ( at whatever you are blowing)

[joempower]

Sorry folks, I have to repost my question from several pages back, to get an opinion, because I'm so curious what you think >

Pat Fry interview detail ( read here on F1T ) :
http://www.f1technical.net/news/17114?s ... 14d7b94c65

Talking about the "to be-revised" exhaust >

"I think we can claw back, at best, at least 25% of the downforce we had last year, even if we need to see what that costs us in fuel consumption and corner turn-in stability. "

That fuel consumption part is interesting. Doesn't it mean that they are still able to use some hot-blowing ? How otherwise could downforce be realated to fuel consumption

So ? What you think ?

Isn't one of the issues on the car corner turn-in stability. Why have more downforce if your still left with an unstable car?

[Redragon]

http://www.antena3.com/formula-1/pretem ... 00138.htmltranslate please

He speaks about Ferrari and his role on antena 3 as commentarist.

The important info:

It is clear that our objective it is to win the constructors and drivers championship. The championship is too long and I don't hesitate that we will be fighting to win.

How we will be in Australia we don't really know, we are speculating with the weight of fuel of others, but we don't really know where we are. We've got great times and if our rivals are as we are we are on the right way to win and podiums.

About Australia again he says "we are really ambitious and we know we are not where we want to be"

[radosav]

http://www.antena3.com/formula-1/pretem ... 00138.htmltranslate please

He speaks about Ferrari and his role on antena 3 as commentarist.

The important info:

It is clear that our objective it is to win the constructors and drivers championship. The championship is too long and I don't hesitate that we will be fighting to win.

How we will be in Australia we don't really know, we are speculating with the weight of fuel of others, but we don't really know where we are. We've got great times and if our rivals are as we are we are on the right way to win and podiums.

About Australia again he says "we are really ambitious and we know we are not where we want to be"

thanks