Ferrari F2012

[FakeAlonso]

What is interesting is that RB is so confident that they bring a complete new SPEC to the last day of testing and despite their problems they confirmed they will run that SPEC in Melbourne and Ferrari still does not understand its exhausts??? I think that if they continue with this rate of development they won't be able to catch up red bull throughout the year.

Where did you get the idea that they don't understand their exhaust? They specifically said the launch exhaust had more ultimate performance but needs development(driveability probably), so they switched to less sensitive exhaust position.

Where does that imply a lack of understanding?Just sounds like empirical testing and development to me. Ferrari might lack a bit of creativity in interpreting the regs, but that makes no implication that they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

Jimi Hendrix says:If after two huge restructuring operations, and last years reshuffle of its way of working, one week before the start of the season, Ferrari still needs to speed up their development it is in even deeper crisis than many think they are currently in.

Ferarri doesn't lack development pace. They've developed at roughly the same pace as Red Bull and Mclaren through a season for the last two years( actually I'd say a little better: By the end of 2010 they were close to the Bull and miles ahead of Macca. In 2011 they got closer to the two teams in fornt of them throughout the year.

Look I said earlier that is incredible that RB can develop two different specs and most probably both could work great, and Ferrari tried 4 different or more exhaust solutions and still are working on that??? I agree that they might lack the creativity to interpret better the reg but what RB did with two different specs is incredible. Yes they know the car very well but still that is brutal confidence. I agree with you that they need more time but my point is in order for them to be competitive they need to reduce this time of understanding the car if they want to fight RB and Macca.

[FakeAlonso]

That front wing didnt work from the start either. Forgot about the Indian gp front wing wiggling? Besides, that wasnt a product from development, that was a straight copy of the red bull front wing concept. The melbourne spec didnt work. Silverstone only worked because of engine map ban and at the last race Alonso finished 35 seconds behind winner Webber and qualified throughout the year - bar a few exceptions - a steady half a second behind mclaren and red bull. Thats not closed up at all.

Agree

[FakeAlonso]

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[FakeAlonso]

According to this article except Alonso everyone else is at risk of loosing their job if the F2012 does not perform.

[scuderiaF2012]

I betcha everyone in Maranello are working 25 hours a day 8 days a week to fix the issues Ferrari are currently having

I for one BELIEVE in our team; if anyone can turn this around, then that team is FERRARI

[bonjon1979]

The problem with building completely new sidepods and fitting them for a GP is not the problem. The problem would be drawing them up, running CFD to see if it's even viable, making the 60% mold to test in the tunnel, then making the new full scale, then getting them onto the car to test their efficiency, cooling, performance & making a decision about whether or not to move forward. Then depending on how things went, the team might find themselves a set for only one car.
To make such radical changes and not have the time to check them out under a testing setting would be risky. Which is why the team will wait until Mugello for any major changes. I believe we'll see some new parts before then, but nothing major because you don't want to test their performance or lack thereof during a GP weekend. There's too much other stuff to work on.
As for actual build time, a team can make a brand new front wing in 48 hours. From mold to autoclave, to assembly, to paint to decals. Sidepods are roughly a week. Again that's not the problem.

I agree with this - but I think you also need to think about the knock on effects, while they're trying to fix these problems they're not moving forwards in the same way as other teams. Also, I'm sure they'll use some of their straight line test days/ full scale wind tunnel testing which again other teams will be using to push their car further on later in the season. I think the in season testing ban has really changed how things work - if you're on the back foot at the start, I think it has a knock on a effect throughout the entire season. I still think you'll see sculpted sidepods that work the exhaust compromise as best as possible but nothing much beyond I feel.

[bonjon1979]

I betcha everyone in Maranello are working 25 hours a day 8 days a week to fix the issues Ferrari are currently having

I for one BELIEVE in our team; if anyone can turn this around, then that team is FERRARI

Giving a 110%, right?

[scuderiaF2012]

I betcha everyone in Maranello are working 25 hours a day 8 days a week to fix the issues Ferrari are currently having

I for one BELIEVE in our team; if anyone can turn this around, then that team is FERRARI

Giving a 110%, right?

Yup

[amouzouris]

Translation:
Ferrari is the week of the Great Fear. Next Sunday in Australia Formula 1 will issue its final verdict and the first Maranello fear could be du-rissimo. Not just hard. There is an eerie nightmare of waking up not only behind Red Bull and McLa-ren, but also to Mercedes and Lotus, with the fear that even Sauber, Williams and Force India may hold some bitter-no surprises. There-in adds the content of failing to reach the "top ten" in qualifying and in the points race. ■ We hope to do as Bearzot's Italy in 1982, friendly pale, three draws in three par-tite and then the World Title, "commented Stefano Domenicali no hide-long preoccupation for a proposed change in the running and still in the middle the ford. It will take four races, one month, to really understand how an end-DRA in the longest season in recent years. But will the verdict of the first GP to see if the end of the tunnel will begin to see light, or if we are heading to a season low with black-no revolution inside the team before the last race of 2010 was in the lead World. The only one not to risk anything is Fernando Alonso (AFP photo). He is not in question. The other, from Massa-down, are all poised and if the season does not take the right path, the president Montezemolo could turn into a Zamparini and blow up the coach and some of his men. Stefano Domenicali is not the designer of the F2012 and is not re-neppu the streamline. But is the man who chose to then-mo-marked and then I know of es-
be questioned
for faults that are not his. And 'the fate of the sport that is responsible for managing a little' how to coach a team calculated what. There never was a World Cup with six sam-ni in the world at the start. This year there will be Schumacher, Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton, Button and Raikkonen revived. Difficult if not impossible-that the 2012 sample does not come from this if re-stetto, Webber unless it experiences a state of grace of two years ago. Three in a row in world history they have won only Fangio and Schumacher and Vettel's challenge, leaving two-sample, it becomes even more challenging. And 'he is the favorite a must, even if McLaren during winter test looked pretty in the pal-while Red Bull has had some problems-but on the reliability, especially during the last test session in Barcelona. Starting the season with great battles on the track and different winners in the first races, allow-terebbe Ferrari to those who do not earn seconded unbridgeable. The first season goal can only be this: get to the fifth race of the year with opponents yet to door-tion of victory. It's not what you hoped-do when it was decided to design a Formula 1 racing and aggressive in the past with a clear route trop-bit conservative, but nowadays you can not do is limit damage. The reference to Italy in 1982, a news blackout of pilots (Alonso broke it only respects a re-engagement with SportWeek and read-exclusive network next Saturday) for ittora also mean to cling to the Cabala. In one week we will have much clearer ideas. For now, the Deep Red remains. A little 'Blue as the Tene-bra invented by Giovan-ni-gettable quell'indi Arpino for Italy in 1982

[Crucial_Xtreme]

I agree with this - but I think you also need to think about the knock on effects, while they're trying to fix these problems they're not moving forwards in the same way as other teams. Also, I'm sure they'll use some of their straight line test days/ full scale wind tunnel testing which again other teams will be using to push their car further on later in the season. I think the in season testing ban has really changed how things work - if you're on the back foot at the start, I think it has a knock on a effect throughout the entire season. I still think you'll see sculpted sidepods that work the exhaust compromise as best as possible but nothing much beyond I feel.

Oh yeah, I agree totally. I think a lot of it(where they end up) will be dependent of course on how far they are behind. But as you said, starting off the back foot is never a good thing. The team thinks the launch exhaust position will give the a performance advantage, so it seems as though they're banking on that. It's that fine line about not only who develops the fastest but who develops the best.
If the team finds they are only a few tenths behind, then I think winning is in reach. Only time will tell.

[Hush]

What is interesting is that RB is so confident that they bring a complete new SPEC to the last day of testing and despite their problems they confirmed they will run that SPEC in Melbourne and Ferrari still does not understand its exhausts??? I think that if they continue with this rate of development they won't be able to catch up red bull throughout the year.

Everybody and their dog knows that Ferrari are not happy with their performance and will most likely be behind come the first few races but where do you get the info that they don't understand the car?

Everything I'm hearing is pointing to them having identified the issue and are working toward a solution. You don't apply for a new crash test when you are still shooting in the dark... The time it takes to redesign the sidepods and packaging is not the issue here, although it is a long process in its own right, but rather the process of homologating the new chassis which is said to be happening in April only because they will not be able to run the new chassis unless it has been crash tested as per the new rules if the changes are extensive enough.

What you will see in the fly away races is a patch job which is being optimised if Fry is to be believed and at the Mugello test they will revisit their initial solution.

I am particularly hard on Ferrari but a lot of people here are making things up as they go along as if to say they abandoned their initial solution because Newey was doing something else... It is more likely that they temporarily abandoned their own solution because it is just not working at present and instead racing a flawed concept they went for something more traditional in the interim with the hope of scoring as many points as possible.

That said, I don't expect much from Ferrari in the early going and fear that they are behind Lotus and might duke it out with Force India/Sauber.

[Hail22]

Domenicalli has said to not rule out a "win" in Melbourne.

From http://www.crash.net

"As for what Ferrari can do 'down under', Domenicali added that Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa could yet pull off a surprise.

“To those who ask me if I would sign today for a third place in Melbourne, I would say that I'm not signing anything. Maybe the same will happen as in 1982 when in the World Cup, Italy got off to a bad start and then in the end, went on to win,

[Nando]

Domenicalli has said to not rule out a "win" in Melbourne.

From http://www.crash.net

"As for what Ferrari can do 'down under', Domenicali added that Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa could yet pull off a surprise.

“To those who ask me if I would sign today for a third place in Melbourne, I would say that I'm not signing anything. Maybe the same will happen as in 1982 when in the World Cup, Italy got off to a bad start and then in the end, went on to win,

Not really.

[scuderiaF2012]

Domenicalli has said to not rule out a "win" in Melbourne.

From http://www.crash.net

"As for what Ferrari can do 'down under', Domenicali added that Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa could yet pull off a surprise.

“To those who ask me if I would sign today for a third place in Melbourne, I would say that I'm not signing anything. Maybe the same will happen as in 1982 when in the World Cup, Italy got off to a bad start and then in the end, went on to win,

I think he's basing this on LUCK alone, because on paper our pace sucks, at least for the first few races until we get our crap straighten out

Ciao

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Everybody and their dog knows that Ferrari are not happy with their performance and will most likely be behind come the first few races but where do you get the info that they don't understand the car?



What you will see in the fly away races is a patch job which is being optimised if Fry is to be believed and at the Mugello test they will revisit their initial solution.

I am particularly hard on Ferrari but a lot of people here are making things up as they go along as if to say they abandoned their initial solution because Newey was doing something else... It is more likely that they temporarily abandoned their own solution because it is just not working at present and instead racing a flawed concept they went for something more traditional in the interim with the hope of scoring as many points as possible.

That said, I don't expect much from Ferrari in the early going and fear that they are behind Lotus and might duke it out with Force India/Sauber.[/quote]

I'm with you here Hush. I think the team definitely have an understanding of the car right now, otherwise, well let's not go there. I think it's safe to say the data collected from 3,105 miles of winter testing have given them what they need. It's only a matter of implementing it.
I too don't think they will go with the Sauber/RB style exhaust. Domenicali specifically said "We are still working on the original set up, but we will be unable to test it until the Mugello test at the beginning of May, because we believe it could give us a good performance advantage.”

So as you said what's ran in the first four races is the temporary solution until the can test the original one further after changes.

Where we don't agree is how far behind they are or aren't. Obviously the field is closer this year, but I don't think the team will fight it out with Sauber & SFI. Of course I don't know and I'll just have to wait and see but I don't think things are as bad as some people think.