Ferrari F2012

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:
I agree with this - but I think you also need to think about the knock on effects, while they're trying to fix these problems they're not moving forwards in the same way as other teams. Also, I'm sure they'll use some of their straight line test days/ full scale wind tunnel testing which again other teams will be using to push their car further on later in the season. I think the in season testing ban has really changed how things work - if you're on the back foot at the start, I think it has a knock on a effect throughout the entire season. I still think you'll see sculpted sidepods that work the exhaust compromise as best as possible but nothing much beyond I feel.
Oh yeah, I agree totally. I think a lot of it(where they end up) will be dependent of course on how far they are behind. But as you said, starting off the back foot is never a good thing. The team thinks the launch exhaust position will give the a performance advantage, so it seems as though they're banking on that. It's that fine line about not only who develops the fastest but who develops the best.
If the team finds they are only a few tenths behind, then I think winning is in reach. Only time will tell.
I agree. weird things can happen in the fly-aways too - Malaysia will definitely be hit by rain, Bahrain by riots. We could get to the mugello test with no clear leader due to points being shared...we shall see. V excited though.

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
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Everybody and their dog knows that Ferrari are not happy with their performance and will most likely be behind come the first few races but where do you get the info that they don't understand the car?



What you will see in the fly away races is a patch job which is being optimised if Fry is to be believed and at the Mugello test they will revisit their initial solution.

I am particularly hard on Ferrari but a lot of people here are making things up as they go along as if to say they abandoned their initial solution because Newey was doing something else... It is more likely that they temporarily abandoned their own solution because it is just not working at present and instead racing a flawed concept they went for something more traditional in the interim with the hope of scoring as many points as possible.

That said, I don't expect much from Ferrari in the early going and fear that they are behind Lotus and might duke it out with Force India/Sauber.
I'm with you here Hush. I think the team definitely have an understanding of the car right now, otherwise, well let's not go there. I think it's safe to say the data collected from 3,105 miles of winter testing have given them what they need. It's only a matter of implementing it.
I too don't think they will go with the Sauber/RB style exhaust. Domenicali specifically said "We are still working on the original set up, but we will be unable to test it until the Mugello test at the beginning of May, because we believe it could give us a good performance advantage.”

So as you said what's ran in the first four races is the temporary solution until the can test the original one further after changes.

Where we don't agree is how far behind they are or aren't. Obviously the field is closer this year, but I don't think the team will fight it out with Sauber & SFI. Of course I don't know and I'll just have to wait and see but I don't think things are as bad as some people think.[/quote]
I think Ferrari are in trouble here and the car moving in and out of the performance window sounds like something fundamental to me. Whether they can resolve that with the interim solution remains to be seen but I am not getting my hopes up that's for sure.

Also, I'm not of the opinion that this is a make or break year for Ferrari because if this design has potential it will be carried forward to subsequent designs.

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FakeAlonso wrote:What is interesting is that RB is so confident that they bring a complete new SPEC to the last day of testing and despite their problems they confirmed they will run that SPEC in Melbourne and Ferrari still does not understand its exhausts??? I think that if they continue with this rate of development they won't be able to catch up red bull throughout the year.
Everybody and their dog knows that Ferrari are not happy with their performance and will most likely be behind come the first few races but where do you get the info that they don't understand the car?

That said, I don't expect much from Ferrari in the early going and fear that they are behind Lotus and might duke it out with Force India/Sauber.
I get the feeling they don't fully understand their car from all the Italian media and especially Domenicali's interviews. Either they are playing down their performance or he is way too much insecure in his statements. I know is a completely new car but i think their main problem is the not good correlation of the simulations in the factory and on the track.
It looks to me that is kind of hard for them to get a car from the factory to getting to work right away on the track. But lets hope they will pull it through. I think they might be able to fight for podium in Melbourne despite the downplay.

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Just had a read of this article:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/03/f ... esign-yet/

Sounds like they're more concerned they didn't meet their objectives than anything else. It's the right approach because winter testing doesn't provide any information with how well the other teams are going as there's so many variables to factor in.

Melbourne will be the true test, perhaps then we can comment on if they got it right or wrong :)

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lombers wrote:Just had a read of this article:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/03/f ... esign-yet/

Sounds like they're more concerned they didn't meet their objectives than anything else. It's the right approach because winter testing doesn't provide any information with how well the other teams are going as there's so many variables to factor in.

Melbourne will be the true test, perhaps then we can comment on if they got it right or wrong :)
What if Alonso's getting POLE in Melbourne? We'll shut all of them critics off... [-o<

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Anyone figured out the picture with the tire temps/pressures?

I still haven´t gotten my head around that.
Why would you run pressures that high? And seeing as the temps were low, that probably means it was cold pressure.
But it was after a stint so you wonder how the temps can be that low but pressures are still way above the recommended ones.

It just does not make any sense.
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Nando wrote:Anyone figured out the picture with the tire temps/pressures?

I still haven´t gotten my head around that.
Why would you run pressures that high? And seeing as the temps were low, that probably means it was cold pressure.
But it was after a stint so you wonder how the temps can be that low but pressures are still way above the recommended ones.

It just does not make any sense.
I don't remember the exact pressures but couldn't they have been after a stint when pressures increase? Also they could have very well changed them to keep the competition guessing.

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Latest news:

The new side pods/engine cover have just been removed from the autoclaves. On the bench now for prepping. Work is happening on shifts. Shipping out to Australia in time for FP2/FP3.

8) =D>

Could be true
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From whence does that hence?

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FWIW a lady from another place, her husband took part in a Red Bull event today where he asked some of the team members which team they were most concerned about and wary of. The answer was Ferrari. They didn't say Mclaren or Merc or Lotus. It was Ferrari. They said that the Ferrari is not a bad car, nowhere near what Ferrari have been claiming how bad it is.

She did not ask her husband which teams members said that, but neither of the two have any reason to lie about what happened today. Let's hope they're right. :D

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bhallg2k wrote:From whence does that hence?
Ferrari.
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:FWIW a lady from another place, her husband took part in a Red Bull event today where he asked some of the team members which team they were most concerned about and wary of. The answer was Ferrari. They didn't say Mclaren or Merc or Lotus. It was Ferrari. They said that the Ferrari is not a bad car, nowhere near what Ferrari have been claiming how bad it is.

She did not ask her husband which teams members said that, but neither of the two have any reason to lie about what happened today. Let's hope they're right. :D

Maybe it was Newey himself who said that....lol
All jokes aside, I too hope they're right

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scuderiaF2012 wrote:All jokes aside, I too hope they're right
Me, too. I'd like nothing more Sunday evening than to have a virtual plate of crow waiting for me here.

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:FWIW a lady from another place, her husband took part in a Red Bull event today where he asked some of the team members which team they were most concerned about and wary of. The answer was Ferrari. They didn't say Mclaren or Merc or Lotus. It was Ferrari. They said that the Ferrari is not a bad car, nowhere near what Ferrari have been claiming how bad it is.

She did not ask her husband which teams members said that, but neither of the two have any reason to lie about what happened today. Let's hope they're right. :D
as alonso fan i am also concerned about Ferrari. not Mclaren or Merc or Lotus.nice from red bull people that they are concerned about ferrari, but i really hope that situation isn't that bad.