Ferrari F2012

[Nando]

It´s definitely in the Acer duct. You can see the rest of the bodywork having the same shape as the sidepod.

big undercut up to exhaust. See below exhaust,

mmmm - does this then mean their balance issues is sorted out or that they were bluffing with the different exhaust positions

Regarding the exhaust i think they just wanted to see what is the most effective way to point the exhausts in the real world.
Arguably they had the best setup possible to to do just that.

But i have to say those ducts simply look like they are in the way of the airflow coming from the side. However i´m no aerodynamicist in any way.

Balance "issues" could have something to do with the anomalies of the tire pressures/temps.

[FakeAlonso]

Scarbs says on TFL that Ferrari needs to decide fast on the direction of the exhaust. This brings back the question do they know the right direction for the exhaust or they need more time to understand it?

I hope they know it cause otherwise is going to be a repeat of 2011.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Scarbs says on TFL that Ferrari needs to decide fast on the direction of the exhaust. This brings back the question do they know the right direction for the exhaust or they need more time to understand it?

I hope they know it cause otherwise is going to be a repeat of 2011.

Do you believe what the team says? If so, then they just need more time work on it. They said it provides the most performance & will provide a significant performance advantage.

[Nando]

I think with all the time they had pointing the exhaust pretty much everywhere that they now have a good foundation to stand on as to where to point the exhaust gases.

[FakeAlonso]

Scarbs says on TFL that Ferrari needs to decide fast on the direction of the exhaust. This brings back the question do they know the right direction for the exhaust or they need more time to understand it?

I hope they know it cause otherwise is going to be a repeat of 2011.

Do you believe what the team says? If so, then they just need more time work on it. They said it provides the most performance & will provide a significant performance advantage.

I read a lot from the quotes of the team sometimes it seems they know the right direction sometime they say we need to understand more the car. So what i read between the lines is "INSECURITY". I don't know if they are in the right way or no but as a TIFOSO and non a aerodynamics expert I think the ACER duct are wrong. They are in the way of the airflow and my personal opinion is they should go with a different direction. But lets wait for the race and see. I really hope they will have a good result in Melbourne but I am a bit concern and worried if they really know the right direction especially for the exhaust.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

I read a lot from the quotes of the team sometimes it seems they know the right direction sometime they say we need to understand more the car. So what i read between the lines is "INSECURITY". I don't know if they are in the right way or no but as a TIFOSO and non a aerodynamics expert I think the ACER duct are wrong. They are in the way of the airflow and my personal opinion is they should go with a different direction. But lets wait for the race and see. I really hope they will have a good result in Melbourne but I am a bit concern and worried if they really know the right direction especially for the exhaust.

The latest from Domenicali on where the team stands

As for the technical reasons behind the lack of satisfaction, Domenicali was very explicit. We had asked our engineers for an extreme car, because without that, we would have been unable to close the gap to the best. The first configuration of the exhausts showed good potential, but it caused problems: the tyres overheated and the performance was unstable. Therefore we had to change, even if I certainly was not happy about it. We are still working on the original set up, but we will be unable to test it until the Mugello test at the beginning of May, because we believe it could give us a good performance advantage.”

http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1 ... -2012.aspx

[Agasthya]

@Stefan

It was posted by "n_sminkle" that the new parts would be ready by FP2. Lets hope it's true.

That makes no sense. Why wouldn't they bolt the parts on for FP1?! And plus, I actually heard from my dog that they don't plan on bolting on the new parts until the 2nd pitstop of the Melbourne race.

[FakeAlonso]

I read a lot from the quotes of the team sometimes it seems they know the right direction sometime they say we need to understand more the car. So what i read between the lines is "INSECURITY". I don't know if they are in the right way or no but as a TIFOSO and non a aerodynamics expert I think the ACER duct are wrong. They are in the way of the airflow and my personal opinion is they should go with a different direction. But lets wait for the race and see. I really hope they will have a good result in Melbourne but I am a bit concern and worried if they really know the right direction especially for the exhaust.

The latest from Domenicali on where the team stands

As for the technical reasons behind the lack of satisfaction, Domenicali was very explicit. We had asked our engineers for an extreme car, because without that, we would have been unable to close the gap to the best. The first configuration of the exhausts showed good potential, but it caused problems: the tyres overheated and the performance was unstable. Therefore we had to change, even if I certainly was not happy about it. We are still working on the original set up, but we will be unable to test it until the Mugello test at the beginning of May, because we believe it could give us a good performance advantage.”

http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1 ... -2012.aspx

Crutial- I really like your optimism mate and I admire you for that. Emotions apart in the same time I still have some doubts. What are they going to run until Mugello what exhaust configuration? We have seen so many exhaust configurations. How effective these configuration are? So until Mugello there are 4 races, are they going to play in defense for these 4 races, (Like Italy of 82). Assuming they are going to play in defense for the first 4 races, I am afraid RB or Macca are going to build a good lead.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

@Stefan

It was posted by "n_sminkle" that the new parts would be ready by FP2. Lets hope it's true.

That makes no sense. Why wouldn't they bolt the parts on for FP1?! And plus, I actually heard from my dog that they don't plan on bolting on the new parts until the 2nd pitstop of the Melbourne race.

Um, let's see here maybe because the parts had to be made, prepped & shipped from Italy to Melbourne. I mean, I am a rocket scientist so maybe that's why it makes sense to me.

[radosav]

like fake alonso, i respect your optimism crucial, but we must be real. for me really good sign would be ferrari gettin' out of this trouble with their knowledge,even if they have to sacrifice first 6 races, than fighting for podium at every race without knowing how to make car for win.

[Agasthya]

@Stefan

It was posted by "n_sminkle" that the new parts would be ready by FP2. Lets hope it's true.

That makes no sense. Why wouldn't they bolt the parts on for FP1?! And plus, I actually heard from my dog that they don't plan on bolting on the new parts until the 2nd pitstop of the Melbourne race.

Um, let's see here maybe because the parts had to be made, prepped & shipped from Italy to Melbourne. I mean, I am a rocket scientist so maybe that's why it makes sense to me.

The likelihood of that is so small, in my opinion. Especially the FP1 vs FP2 bit. There are only four hours between FP1 and FP2. I'm sure there is a possibility that the parts will arrive at 2pm Melbourne time (or arrived before FP1) and then the team will spend the next 150 minutes working like mad to bolt on a brand new package but I think the odds are extremely slim. You leave yourself so little margin for error -- especially for a team that is still trying to learn the car and desperately needs track time.

FP3 - MAYBE... just MAYBE. But, I think there are two fundamental issues with putting on parts on Friday --> Saturday. 1) They will probably have to violate curfew to get a whole new package installed on the car. Is that really worth it for the first race of the year? and 2) The first time they are going to run a brand new package is 3 hours before qualifying? What if it doesn't work? You have no time to take it off and are completely screwed for qualifying.

I mean, I guess its possible. But it seems really bizarre for a team to bolt on a new aero package on a car with so little margin for error. Especially when they've repeatedly stated that they are learning the car and won't be able to properly judge the car until after the Mugello test.

I will happily eat crow if they do happen to have a brand new aero package but I just don't see it happening between free practice sessions..

[PlatinumZealot]

@Stefan

It was posted by "n_sminkle" that the new parts would be ready by FP2. Lets hope it's true.

That makes no sense. Why wouldn't they bolt the parts on for FP1?! And plus, I actually heard from my dog that they don't plan on bolting on the new parts until the 2nd pitstop of the Melbourne race.

Because of later arrival time. Two days is a huuuge difference in F1. You can watch the williams F1 ulitmate factories documentary to see what i mean.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

like fake alonso, i respect your optimism crucial, but we must be real. for me really good sign would be ferrari gettin' out of this trouble with their knowledge,even if they have to sacrifice first 6 races, than fighting for podium at every race without knowing how to make car for win.

I understand where you're coming from, but the bottom line is we're not quite sure where we're at compared to our rivals. We just don't know. The team has said their disappointed with where the car is. They wanted it to be first. Domenicali said the team is disappointed because the team did not reach it's own goals. Not because the car is much slower than the competition.
Until we quali poorly but more importantly finish the race the poorly, I will not be down. Until then we just don't know.
But I agree I'd rather see the team sacrifice the first few races to make sure the car is the best it can be for later in the year. I'm just not sure we're at that point.

[Trocola]

@Stefan

It was posted by "n_sminkle" that the new parts would be ready by FP2. Lets hope it's true.

That makes no sense. Why wouldn't they bolt the parts on for FP1?! And plus, I actually heard from my dog that they don't plan on bolting on the new parts until the 2nd pitstop of the Melbourne race.

It's the normal procedure from Ferrari. First, they do FP1 with the "normal" car, to see where they are. On the second practice, they put the new parts, so they can compare and see if the new parts work or not. Put those new parts on FP1 have no sense, because you don't know if they are working or not, because you have no baseline

That's what i would do. Seems quite reasonable


Trocola

[radosav]

like fake alonso, i respect your optimism crucial, but we must be real. for me really good sign would be ferrari gettin' out of this trouble with their knowledge,even if they have to sacrifice first 6 races, than fighting for podium at every race without knowing how to make car for win.

I understand where you're coming from, but the bottom line is we're not quite sure where we're at compared to our rivals. We just don't know. The team has said their disappointed with where the car is. They wanted it to be first. Domenicali said the team is disappointed because the team did not reach it's own goals. Not because the car is much slower than the competition.
Until we quali poorly but more importantly finish the race the poorly, I will not be down. Until then we just don't know.
But I agree I'd rather see the team sacrifice the first few races to make sure the car is the best it can be for later in the year. I'm just not sure we're at that point.

i respect that and, if i may , i will add something (this isn't mine): We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender