Australian GP 2012 - Albert Park

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GrizzleBoy wrote:http://www.f1technical.net/news/17142

Looks like HRT are not allowed to race tomorrow :(

Hardly my favourite team, but it would be good to get the season under way with all cars on track ready to race.
That doesnt say they cant race, just they failed to meet 107% and have applied for permission to race from the FIA. No decision yet.

myurr
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I'm going to say something controversial now, so be warned!

I have just watched an onboard lap with Schumacher (http://www.f1zone.net/forum/viewtopic.p ... 94#p279694) and I actually think the front f-duct should be banned from subsequent races.

What is clear from that video is that Schumacher is having to come off the DRS about two seconds before braking for a corner. Clearly it takes time for the device to adjust airflow and for the flow to reattach to the front wing. In my mind that is very dangerous as if something unexpected happens in front of them, such as another car crashing, they may not be able to deactivate the DRS and get the car back under control quickly enough to be able to react. If flow was reattaching instantly then fine but because of that safety margin that they're using in qualifying, when surely they're pushing it as close as they dare, then there is scope for some very dangerous situations. For example if a car gets into problems in front of them and they slam on the brakes whilst DRS is active, then there will be a 1 to 2 second window where the rear wing is at full downforce and the front wing is still stalled. This means that during this period the car is both unstable and lacking front downforce at a time when it is most needed (under heavy braking and probably wanting to change direction).

So whilst it's a great bit of engineering and a very clever interpretation of the rules, I personally believe it is unsafe.

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Unc1e_M0nty wrote:I had a feeling that Macca were quick but I didn't think they'd be clear of the field like this.

I think Red Bull are suffering from a lack of running with the new spec car, Vettel only managed 13 laps on the last day of testing, then rain reduced their running this weekend, I get the feeling they still need to understand the car.

I still think their race pace will be enough to get them past Grosjean & Schuy, not on the straights but through better tyre wear & pit stops,the Maccas should be long gone by then though.
its a good wake up call for RBR, but all is not lost and the race tomorrow will be exciting. Let see the more fuel efficient Renault engine can over some the mighty merc.

mix2mix
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myurr wrote:I'm going to say something controversial now, so be warned!

I have just watched an onboard lap with Schumacher (http://www.f1zone.net/forum/viewtopic.p ... 94#p279694) and I actually think the front f-duct should be banned from subsequent races.

What is clear from that video is that Schumacher is having to come off the DRS about two seconds before braking for a corner. Clearly it takes time for the device to adjust airflow and for the flow to reattach to the front wing. In my mind that is very dangerous as if something unexpected happens in front of them, such as another car crashing, they may not be able to deactivate the DRS and get the car back under control quickly enough to be able to react. If flow was reattaching instantly then fine but because of that safety margin that they're using in qualifying, when surely they're pushing it as close as they dare, then there is scope for some very dangerous situations. For example if a car gets into problems in front of them and they slam on the brakes whilst DRS is active, then there will be a 1 to 2 second window where the rear wing is at full downforce and the front wing is still stalled. This means that during this period the car is both unstable and lacking front downforce at a time when it is most needed (under heavy braking and probably wanting to change direction).

So whilst it's a great bit of engineering and a very clever interpretation of the rules, I personally believe it is unsafe.
unsafe is if driver do not move leg from gas pedal when driver ahead brake, if you want to be sincere. In this sense why race at all? personaly i think to MS early turn off DRS because they have greater speed

i70q7m7ghw
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"Mclaren now stripping the car down in front of the FIA. This doesn't look good."

Looks like the FIA have got a problem with the McLaren cars, possible the results might be thrown out.

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Actually watching the coverage, I noticed most teams went off DRS significantly earlier than the braking zones. I think Schumacher's DRS use is pretty much on par with most teams.

Red Bull seems to use their DRS more though.

mix2mix
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Diesel wrote:"Mclaren now stripping the car down in front of the FIA. This doesn't look good."

Looks like the FIA have got a problem with the McLaren cars, possible the results might be thrown out.
Source for that?

i70q7m7ghw
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mix2mix wrote:
Diesel wrote:"Mclaren now stripping the car down in front of the FIA. This doesn't look good."

Looks like the FIA have got a problem with the McLaren cars, possible the results might be thrown out.
Source for that?
A mechanic at one of the teams.

UPDATE: Cars appear to have been released now.

nacho
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I think Heikki was blocked on his last Q3 lap, was it any better in the previous sectors?

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McLaren then +.3s to Lotus/Mercedes and then +.3 to RB and +.3 to Williams

No-one on pole 0.5s ahead of 2nd place like last year and the top 9 are about a second closer than last year too.

Going to be an epic race!

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Diesel wrote:"Mclaren now stripping the car down in front of the FIA. This doesn't look good."

Looks like the FIA have got a problem with the McLaren cars, possible the results might be thrown out.
How do u know this ?
Speedster , dribbler , free kick taker ,complete forward .

rbr25
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Maldonado in 8th place and Williams back in the top 10 very good!!!

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myurr wrote:Webber 7/10ths off Hamilton on his only quick lap. I reckon Lewis may just have this but Mercedes are going to get close. Vettel is going to be 5th at best I reckon.
No KERS thru qually for Mark at all! RBR really shouldn't still be having KERS issues FFS!

mark still beat Vettel tho which was nice! 8)
"In downforce we trust"

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mahesh248f1 wrote:
Diesel wrote:"Mclaren now stripping the car down in front of the FIA. This doesn't look good."

Looks like the FIA have got a problem with the McLaren cars, possible the results might be thrown out.
How do u know this ?
Search twitter.

The cars have been released now, but McLaren were made to strip of parts infront of the FIA and were held right up until 5 minutes before the cars have to be covered & sealed.

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Btw, Vettel did have KERS and Webber still beat him, looks like no EBD does suit Mark better as has been postulated.

HRT won't be allowed to race is confirmed - those things were getting in everyone's way so good move by the FIA.
"In downforce we trust"