Ferrari F2012

[aduka11]

THE CAR: Unbelievable a lot of oversteer. I have never seen a car with so much understeer into the curve and somehow oversteer like a drifting car.

DRIVER: Hope Massa reads it because he is an embarrassment... honestly I would rather reitre than drive like ---. So much lack of skills

THE TEAM: Okay.. I don´t want to insult somebody but honestly they have put in some Italians with English men in a team. Italian engineers make honestly really smart solutions but the basics they are rather stupid. English men are to proud to realise they are wrong..

No offence

But haven't Frenchman, Englishman, South African and German brought Ferrari to their glory?

When Ferrari started to bring Italians instead of them...it started to fall down.

[KPGS]

I think most of you are too nervous: tha car is lacking top speed and this could be expected due to the aero inefficiency of the sidepods (they are to be reshaped until the new exhaust concept will work and also this was not new).
Nevertheless no one noticed thatas far as alonso was on track (that is to say first tire set on q2) his performance was more or less the same of RBR...after that all the drvers improved their performance with the second tire set in Q2 and the whole Q3 but you can't compare those futher laptimes with alonso ones...
My final consideration (limited to the firts qualify of the season) is that ferrari is possibly half second behind top teams and maybe less behind RBR.
The car is remarkably complex and there is much room to improve...
It could be worse.

+1

Was thinking the same thing. Current car config is not good, we can say that 100%. Sadly, Alonso went out of track. Even with laptime made on used tires, and IMO considerable amount of fuel onboard (at least for few laps more considering Q2 just started) he almost managed to squeeze into Q3.

Currently I see F2012 Q performance little behind (or even with) Red Bull, at least in Alonso's hands. And I see that as good thing. Car as nervous as it gets, near last years WC. Not the end of the world.

Can't wait for race. Alonso starting from middle of the grid is always a good thing for spectators

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

@aduka11

The only Italian who take a huge role was Domenicali.

And what the hell with Italian engineer ? The brand Brembo is Italian, OZ rims it's Italian, Dallara it's Italian, Pirelli it's Italian.

So for you it's only Todt, Brawn, Byrne and Schumacher who run Ferrari during 2000-2006 era ?

I'm very tired to read these BS about nationalities.

[aduka11]

@aduka11

The only Italian who take a huge role was Domenicali.

And what the hell with Italian engineer ? The brand Brembo is Italian, OZ rims it's Italian, Dallara it's Italian, Pirelli it's Italian.

So for you it's only Todt, Brawn, Byrne and Schumacher who run Ferrari during 2000-2006 era ?

I'm very tired to read these BS about nationalities.

What do Oz rims and Pirelli have to do with Ferrari 2000 - 2006 success?
More than half of those you mentioned have nothing to do with Ferrari 2000-2006.

RB, RM, MS, JT are one of the biggest reasons why Ferrari was successful...They did same at Benetton in 1994/95...

Problem with Ferrari is that Montezemolo wanted All Italian Ferrari...

[FakeAlonso]

I cannot accept the fact that they are the only big team that cannot correlate CFD/WT data with track data.

I totally agree they have some serious issues in this area. I mean ll the team can have some small margin of errors but to make a completely wrong car and wait for Jerez or Barcelona to know that they have "gone the wrong direction" is unacceptable.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

@aduka11

The only Italian who take a huge role was Domenicali.

And what the hell with Italian engineer ? The brand Brembo is Italian, OZ rims it's Italian, Dallara it's Italian, Pirelli it's Italian.

So for you it's only Todt, Brawn, Byrne and Schumacher who run Ferrari during 2000-2006 era ?

I'm very tired to read these BS about nationalities.

What do Oz rims and Pirelli have to do with Ferrari 2000 - 2006 success?
More than half of those you mentioned have nothing to do with Ferrari 2000-2006.

RB, RM, MS, JT are one of the biggest reasons why Ferrari was successful...They did same at Benetton in 1994/95...

Problem with Ferrari is that Montezemolo wanted All Italian Ferrari...

They are all Italian companies run by Italian engineers. So they are not amateurish and they know what they do. Like i said, i'm tired by the speech " Italian engineers are not good "

And once again, you have no proof about Montezemolo desire to have all italian Ferrari.

Tombazis, Hennel, Byrne, or Simon ( who left Ferrari in 2009 ) are not Italian. The same for all these ex Mclaren engineers who came this winter. So stop talking nonsense in the wrong thread.

[xpensive]

THE CAR: Unbelievable a lot of oversteer. I have never seen a car with so much understeer into the curve and somehow oversteer like a drifting car.
...

The front suspension comes to mind, I'm still very suspicious of that geometry.

[timbo]

Interesting that the rear grip seemed not so bad during mixed conditions in FP1 and 2 and went away as track improved. What can it be?

[Nando]

THE CAR: Unbelievable a lot of oversteer. I have never seen a car with so much understeer into the curve and somehow oversteer like a drifting car.

DRIVER: Hope Massa reads it because he is an embarrassment... honestly I would rather reitre than drive like ---. So much lack of skills

THE TEAM: Okay.. I don´t want to insult somebody but honestly they have put in some Italians with English men in a team. Italian engineers make honestly really smart solutions but the basics they are rather stupid. English men are to proud to realise they are wrong..

What an ignorant comment.
Understeer is no issue in the Ferrari first of all.
Oversteer i can´t see. All i can see is aerodynamic imbalance.

Massa i agree on, he´s finito as a driver.

And now to the ignorant comment. You do know that most of the design team at Mclaren is actually Italians? They said it themselves and could not explain why that is.

[Vasco]

Interesting that the rear grip seemed not so bad during mixed conditions in FP1 and 2 and went away as track improved. What can it be?

I would say setup. They still don't fully understand the car. They are using pull rod suspension this year on the front and rear, which is new to them. Couple that with a new aero concept for this year, and there are too many unknown variables. I reckon they could find a little more performance from setup alone.

[eurocentric]

http://www.forumula1.com/2009/f1/f1-new ... rari-woes/

Spaghetti Culture - Nikki Lauda

[ajdavison2]

EDIT* quoted totally the wrong post, my bad. correct post below.

[donskar]

It is far too soon to make a judgement on this car. And few -- if any -- of us have the technical background combined with insider knowledge needed to pontificate on areas that need to improve. It is clear, however, that it is not competitive in its current form. It is reasonable to assume that the car will not suddenly become competitive. I hope there is some technical "silver bullet" that can transform this car into a winner, but that seems unlikely. Instead, Ferrari is unlikely to be competitive soon enough to have a realistic chance to win the WCC or WDC. Only hope is that the other teams are so evenly matched that none of them pulls far away from the others.

I fear "knee jerks" from Montezemolo: Domenicali, Massa, Fry? One or more will need to be sacrificed to placate fans, sponsors, and media. Byrne may be persuaded to play a central role. I still feel Ascanelli will join the team in the next 6-12 months.

[ajdavison2]

THE CAR: Unbelievable a lot of oversteer. I have never seen a car with so much understeer into the curve and somehow oversteer like a drifting car.

DRIVER: Hope Massa reads it because he is an embarrassment... honestly I would rather reitre than drive like ---. So much lack of skills

THE TEAM: Okay.. I don´t want to insult somebody but honestly they have put in some Italians with English men in a team. Italian engineers make honestly really smart solutions but the basics they are rather stupid. English men are to proud to realise they are wrong..

What an ignorant comment.
Understeer is no issue in the Ferrari first of all.
Oversteer i can´t see. All i can see is aerodynamic imbalance.

Massa i agree on, he´s finito as a driver.

And now to the ignorant comment. You do know that most of the design team at Mclaren is actually Italians? They said it themselves and could not explain why that is.

Actually he was spot on, the car is understeering and oversteering quite a lot, there was a comparison between JB and FA on the SKY coverage and FA had like twice as much lock on through the corners and was making lots of corrections for the oversteer. He also had a huge moment out of the final corner, (not sure if this was due to oversteer or early DRS activation so we'll call that one a grey area). But all the way through the weekend the car has been very 'slidey'. I think I heard last year that if a driver is putting more than a quarter turn of lock on through an average corner then it is a sure sign of understeer, FA was almost crossing his hands at some points!

[xpensive]

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I fear "knee jerks" from Montezemolo: Domenicali, Massa, Fry? One or more will need to be sacrificed to placate fans, sponsors, and media. Byrne may be persuaded to play a central role. I still feel Ascanelli will join the team in the next 6-12 months.

Mike Gascoyne seems to be on his way out of Caterham, my wet dream is to see "The Rottweiler" at Ferrari, what a match!