Ferrari F2012

[MuseF1]

You can't do anything if you don't have the trust that the car will stay on track if you push it more.

at the end of the day they've both got the same car to deal with if one driver is slower than the other, by a second, then thats down to the driver.

And - if one driver ends up in the kitty litter - then that must also be the drivers fault ??

How Alonso and Massa did it, yes it is, you can't blame that on the car. They've spun because they've went onto the grass - on a straight - and then turned in and spun. I mean thats an amateur mistake from them

[myurr]

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I fear "knee jerks" from Montezemolo: Domenicali, Massa, Fry? One or more will need to be sacrificed to placate fans, sponsors, and media. Byrne may be persuaded to play a central role. I still feel Ascanelli will join the team in the next 6-12 months.

Mike Gascoyne seems to be on his way out of Caterham, my wet dream is to see "The Rottweiler" at Ferrari, what a match!

My view of Gascoyne is that he's always been someone who can do a lot with a limited budget but who tends to build cars lacking that last little bit that a top team would expect.

I hope that Australia is as anomalous as usual and that Caterham do much better on the more traditional circuits. I was looking forward to watching them progress into the mid field.

[FakeAlonso]

"Fernando Alonso ‏ @alo_oficial
Some pictures today at the hotel and on the track ..! It seems we need to improve fast..and I'm sure we can do it."

He admitted that on top of the over-steer or under-steer he was lacking straight line speed, and i just re watched the video on sky he could not get passed the HRT in the straight line.

Looks like is going to be a tough race tomorrow.

[ajdavison2]

Actually he was spot on, the car is understeering and oversteering quite a lot, there was a comparison between JB and FA on the SKY coverage and FA had like twice as much lock on through the corners and was making lots of corrections for the oversteer. He also had a huge moment out of the final corner, (not sure if this was due to oversteer or early DRS activation so we'll call that one a grey area). But all the way through the weekend the car has been very 'slidey'. I think I heard last year that if a driver is putting more than a quarter turn of lock on through an average corner then it is a sure sign of understeer, FA was almost crossing his hands at some points!

That could be steering lock difference. Some like a fast rack some like more lock.

Understeer is when the car goes straight ahead. Have you any footage of the car understeer straight ahead?

Yes I know, the footage was on SKY so unfortunately I don't have any, but the commentators were pointing it out throughout the session aswell.

[Boost]

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I fear "knee jerks" from Montezemolo: Domenicali, Massa, Fry? One or more will need to be sacrificed to placate fans, sponsors, and media. Byrne may be persuaded to play a central role. I still feel Ascanelli will join the team in the next 6-12 months.

Mike Gascoyne seems to be on his way out of Caterham, my wet dream is to see "The Rottweiler" at Ferrari, what a match!

Gascoyne is still with Caterham but taking a bigger role in the overall group rather than just the F1 team.

[timbo]

Slower corner speed, More Steering lock, Front wheels turned at a higher angle = Understeer in my opinion.

Alonso prefers slower steering rack compared to most.

[NathanOlder]

Still getting bucket loads of understeer. I was just pointing out that steering lock at the steering wheel doesnt mean much, but the front wheel angle doesnt lie.

[ajdavison2]

I dont understand the logic of your post in relation to the current discussion, you said the Ferrari had no over or understeer to which members of this forum counter argued.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Some pictures from Quali. Right click>view image

[ajdavison2]

I can't post it, it was all on SKY etc, and I cba to film my TV and put the video on here However I think it is safe to take the words of the several members of the forum who are all in unanimous decision about seeing the understeer, You also previously said that the car did not over steer?

[ringo]

this undercut is one of the main problems too. What are they thinking...
Most defintely an area where low pressure will develope. Sidepods prefer vertical surfaces or ones that draft inward from the root.
this one drafts outward, which is a formula for lifting. Deep undercuts on sidepods is yesterday's news.
They need to get rid of this. Reclaim some of the floor area and make the side pod wall vertical, then lose the acer duct, and thicken the floor. Should be fine after that.

[FakeAlonso]

Some pictures from Quali. Right click>view image

Gosh the ACER ducts are so ugly and apparently not effective.

[Oneshortplanck]

this undercut is one of the main problems too. What are they thinking...
Most defintely an area where low pressure will develope. Sidepods prefer vertical surfaces or ones that draft inward from the root.
this one drafts outward, which is a formula for lifting. Deep undercuts on sidepods is yesterday's news.
They need to get rid of this. Reclaim some of the floor area and make the side pod wall vertical, then lose the acer duct, and thicken the floor. Should be fine after that.

Is this the ferrari's new nose cone ?


Credit image: joseluisf1 twitter

forgive me for not reding 130+ posts
and also forgiveme if i am wrong, but isnt it slot gap that that is regulated...
so would it be legal for the main wing to move aswell as the upper wing during DRS activation?
if so, would there be any advantage?

[Crucial_Xtreme]

BBC's Gary Anderson on what's technically wrong with the F2012

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPOhyN1tIJ8[/youtube]

[mith]

What could be the reason for so huge lack of straight line speed? Ferrari engine is quite powerful. Is the car that much draggy then? Some teems have stated, this year they had especially focused on internal flow and internal drag. Maybe that's what makes so much difference?