Australian GP 2012 - Albert Park

[Goran2812]

Vettel should be given a penalty for that SC driving...

[mith]

@NathanOlder: I believe teams, especially McLaren, are analyzing the situation and if they feel, there's something to protest about, they will do so.

Did Webber have working KERS at the start? If not, that would explain a lot.

[raymondu999]

Nathan - the timing system doesn't quite work in measuring a live gap. What it does is that there are checkpoints around a lap. It logs the time when any car's transponder crosses it. Let's say that at 3:24:15.069 PM Vettel crosses one of them. Then Button crosses it at 3:24:16.169. That registers as a 1.1s gap.

Button is going through the Turn 1 to Turn 10 checkpoints at safety-limited speed; compared to when Vettel went through them at racing speed.

If (theoretically) Button had stopped the car completely and we still saw a time gap - the time gap would stay 1.1s the whole time as that was the latest checkpoint that Button passed.

Hope this clears it up

[NathanOlder]

Nathan - the timing system doesn't quite work in measuring a live gap. What it does is that there are checkpoints around a lap. It logs the time when any car's transponder crosses it. Let's say that at 3:24:15.069 PM Vettel crosses one of them. Then Button crosses it at 3:24:16.169. That registers as a 1.1s gap.

Button is going through the Turn 1 to Turn 10 checkpoints at safety-limited speed; compared to when Vettel went through them at racing speed.

If (theoretically) Button had stopped the car completely and we still saw a time gap - the time gap would stay 1.1s the whole time as that was the latest checkpoint that Button passed.

Hope this clears it up

Ah i see what your saying,
Doesnt explain how Vettel caught the cars infront on the inlap though.

[raymondu999]

I didn't watch the race live and haven't gotten around to watching it yet - so someone else will have to help you on that

In any case. Vids!
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[Intego]

I just rewatched the situation. One could think so, but it would be subjective.

Vettel was really slow just before he pitted. One could see that he accelerated into the pitlane just before the speed limit line. Maybe that was part of the gain.
Then there is no exact speed limit, so it can differ from driver to driver. I would rather say Button was too slow.

It would be more interesting to know what Hamilton lost on Vettel IF he was too fast.

[NathanOlder]

Button +10.461
Webber +10.162
Maldonado + 11.328
Hamilton +10.982
Raikkonen + 12.495
Alonso +13.789
Perez +13.824

Here is what the other drivers lost.

[raymondu999]

How exactly did you get the time of what they each lost?

[NathanOlder]

The times displayed the second the Safety Car was deployed, and the Times displayed as Vettel was entering the pit lane. Then worked out the differences.

[Pierce89]

here is the crash of maldonado. wait to see his words after the race...

get over it, ALO s off in qualifying was of the same kind.
Maldonado shone today. Fullstop.

Really? A mistake in quality is the same as chucking away more points than your team earned all of last season ON THE LAST LAP.
That's a new concept to me. I've always heard the race was more important.

[Pierce89]

Do you think Williams regret shipping Barrichello now? Don't think he would have blown such a good position.

but would he have been in such position?

would would would if if if

Rubens is better. Williams strictly looked at budget. "Screw driving talent we need $"

[NathanOlder]

Depends on circumstances in my opinion.
Lewis Hamilton mistake at Monza on the last lap in 09 meant nothing really.
But Kimi's mistake on saturday was more costly in my opinion.

Kimi's mistake was more costly than Lewis' if you get what im saying.

[NathanOlder]

Do you think Williams regret shipping Barrichello now? Don't think he would have blown such a good position.

but would he have been in such position?

would would would if if if

Rubens is better. Williams strictly looked at budget. "Screw driving talent we need $"

In other words, on last years performances (Rubens vs Maldonado), Rubens would have won today

[Pierce89]

I love hyperbole. A true sign of logical thinking

[ell66]

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Hamilton was actually pulling away from Vettel on mediums while Vettel was chasing him down on softs. He was making and maintaining a two second lead on slower tyres.

They really did keep Lewis out far too long.

He basically wasn't allowed to come in until Button pits which is why they had to do the double pit. Hamilton needed the tyres, but wasn't allowed them. You can hear on the radio, Hamilton asking for tyres and his engineer telling him to just keep pushing.

Without the safety car, Hamilton was going to be second. Very unlucky today.


Maldonado though........he destroyed Grosjeans race, but I couldn't feel bad when I saw him harassing Alonso like that. It's a real shame he couldn't finish.[/quote]

indeed, had lewis got through turn 1 first he'd of won no doubt, its such an advantage to have your pick of strategy, his pace was far from bad either, vettel held him up after the restart and perez made him lose a lot of groud to button at one point.
Hes just naturally frustrated that he didnt convert his pole but 3rd's no disaster.