Team: Pat Fry (TD), Nikolas Tombazis (CD), Stefano Domenicali (MD)
Drivers: Fernando Alonso (5), Felipe Massa (6)
I'm with you Pierce. Obviously the car was born bad. Which is a whole nother subject to be discussed elsewhere. As for the F2012, Malaysia will be tough. China depends on the upgrade package brought.Pierce89 wrote:I don't think its that dire yet. Barcelona is my cut off date. Still --- by then...lose another year out of Alonso's prime... a travesty.bhallg2k wrote:I really don't think they should sort it out.
But, man, I'm actually starting to become an Alonso fan. Even with the safety car and considerable attrition, the F2012 had no business finishing 5th.
Edit: when did this forum start blanking out obscenity? Another travesty.
No it's been there since launch. If we're talking about the same bump. I believe we are. And it's been there.radosav wrote:that bumb in body cover under the scuderia ferrari logo. is it new?
I detailed the statistics in another post, so I won't repeat my maniacal ravings in their entirety. Briefly, a driver has only come from behind after the first three races to win the championship five times since 1990. Ferrari has said they can't do anything substantial with the exhaust until the Mugello test, which comes after the fourth race. If they're still gunning for this year's title at that point, they're aiming for a miraculous recovery.Crucial_Xtreme wrote:I'm with you Pierce. Obviously the car was born bad. Which is a whole nother subject to be discussed elsewhere. As for the F2012, Malaysia will be tough. China depends on the upgrade package brought.Pierce89 wrote: I don't think its that dire yet. Barcelona is my cut off date. Still --- by then...lose another year out of Alonso's prime... a travesty.
Edit: when did this forum start blanking out obscenity? Another travesty.
But I don't think anything is out of reach quite yet. Although the WCC seems a little too far unless Massa gets his act together. That said, the car isn't good and it's hard to blame him for yesterday.
I understand what you're saying, the history isn't good if you don't start well. That is for sure. I'm only saying it possible. I think the larger aim is to get the car sorted, finish the year strong and carry some momentum into the off-season. Meanwhile Stefano & Luca work on getting a top notch aero guy and continue getting the CFD department upgraded as fast as possible. So that as you said the team doesn't start off the back foot again. I'm not disagreeing with anything particular you're saying. I think we both have similar goals for the team. I just try to throw in some extra positivity.bhallg2k wrote: I detailed the statistics in another post, so I won't repeat my maniacal ravings in their entirety. Briefly, a driver has only come from behind after the first three races to win the championship five times since 1990. Ferrari has said they can't do anything substantial with the exhaust until the Mugello test, which comes after the fourth race. If they're still gunning for this year's title at that point, they're aiming for a miraculous recovery.
It's not that I don't want to see that. I just think the time would be better spent figuring out what seems to be an annual problem of things simply not working for the team. Better to do that now, I think, while teams are mostly focused on this year rather than wait and fall behind in next year's preparations, too.
The WCC looks like it is gone. Massa looks completely lost out there and really has no idea how to get the most from the current car. I think a recovery for the WCC will be almost impossible since it will basically only be Fernando scoring points.bhallg2k wrote:I detailed the statistics in another post, so I won't repeat my maniacal ravings in their entirety. Briefly, a driver has only come from behind after the first three races to win the championship five times since 1990. Ferrari has said they can't do anything substantial with the exhaust until the Mugello test, which comes after the fourth race. If they're still gunning for this year's title at that point, they're aiming for a miraculous recovery.Crucial_Xtreme wrote:I'm with you Pierce. Obviously the car was born bad. Which is a whole nother subject to be discussed elsewhere. As for the F2012, Malaysia will be tough. China depends on the upgrade package brought.Pierce89 wrote: I don't think its that dire yet. Barcelona is my cut off date. Still --- by then...lose another year out of Alonso's prime... a travesty.
Edit: when did this forum start blanking out obscenity? Another travesty.
But I don't think anything is out of reach quite yet. Although the WCC seems a little too far unless Massa gets his act together. That said, the car isn't good and it's hard to blame him for yesterday.
It's not that I don't want to see that. I just think the time would be better spent figuring out what seems to be an annual problem of things simply not working for the team. Better to do that now, I think, while teams are mostly focused on this year rather than wait and fall behind in next year's preparations, too.
I believe in miracles when Alonso is driving!Crucial_Xtreme wrote:I understand what you're saying, the history isn't good if you don't start well. That is for sure. I'm only saying it possible. I think the larger aim is to get the car sorted, finish the year strong and carry some momentum into the off-season. Meanwhile Stefano & Luca work on getting a top notch aero guy and continue getting the CFD department upgraded as fast as possible. So that as you said the team doesn't start off the back foot again. I'm not disagreeing with anything particular you're saying. I think we both have similar goals for the team. I just try to throw in some extra positivity.bhallg2k wrote: I detailed the statistics in another post, so I won't repeat my maniacal ravings in their entirety. Briefly, a driver has only come from behind after the first three races to win the championship five times since 1990. Ferrari has said they can't do anything substantial with the exhaust until the Mugello test, which comes after the fourth race. If they're still gunning for this year's title at that point, they're aiming for a miraculous recovery.
It's not that I don't want to see that. I just think the time would be better spent figuring out what seems to be an annual problem of things simply not working for the team. Better to do that now, I think, while teams are mostly focused on this year rather than wait and fall behind in next year's preparations, too.
Tombazis and Fry are no slouches in the area of design, so I don't necessarily think the problem is there. Something must be fundamentally wrong with the team's infrastructure if real-world results are continually lacking in comparison to research results. It's either that, or they've purposefully designed a car that's slow, handles poorly and wears out tires.Crucial_Xtreme wrote:[...] Stefano & Luca work on getting a top notch aero guy and continue getting the CFD department upgraded as fast as possible.
Is it really still a lack of correlation between theoretical and actual numbers?bhallg2k wrote:Tombazis and Fry are no slouches in the area of design, so I don't necessarily think the problem is there. Something must be fundamentally wrong with the team's infrastructure if real-world results are continually lacking in comparison to research results. It's either that, or they've purposefully designed a car that's slow, handles poorly and wears out tires.Crucial_Xtreme wrote:[...] Stefano & Luca work on getting a top notch aero guy and continue getting the CFD department upgraded as fast as possible.
