Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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Well, we'll know more over the next couple of races because Melbourne isn't terribly representative, but given that straight line performance should be the strong point of this car it doesn't look promising.

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x,don´t worry -my feeling is you can count on michael preventing the ingestion of that headsock...or in Michaels words:
last year we were 3 seconds per lap off the pace in Race 1 so we have definitevely maade a huge step as we are more like half a second behind at this time .that´s workable.He sounds positive for the first time .

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marcush. wrote:x,don´t worry -my feeling is you can count on michael preventing the ingestion of that headsock...or in Michaels words:
last year we were 3 seconds per lap off the pace in Race 1 so we have definitevely maade a huge step as we are more like half a second behind at this time .that´s workable.He sounds positive for the first time .
Where's that Michael quote from?

could you post the link plz
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He said that on German RTL to Niki Lauda..


Damn...


How much can Aldo COsta help here...from what i've heard he specialist when it comes to tyre degradation.

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IIRC Tombazis was always the brains behind the fantastic tyre preservation of the Ferraris. Tombazis worked with Newey on the 05 McLaren - don't forget
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Guys

I have analysed pretty well Mercedes problem here in Australia. There is no problem actually. Why?? It might just be good for next few races wherever the track temperature wld be higher than in Australia. This is because Mercedes tyres were out of working window here that means they did not got enough heated up to perform at there best and therby the car started sliding around and tyres started graining laterally.

If you see carefully schumacher laps there were lots of moments where he was sliding around in corners and that is precisely because of this problem. I am sure this means that Mercedes are actually not eating up there tyres. Mercedes were simply not able to switch on there tyres in this race initially and it affected there performance.

Come Malaysia the track temperature would be higher up than Australia and I am sure they would sort out there issues. This was pretty evident from Schumacher's body language.

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Tyres graining and degradation hurts in slow corners much than in straights. That is why tracks where there are low temepartures as well as slow corners Mercedes may not perform well to expectations however reverse would be the case on other tracks.

I have my fingers crossed for Malaysia. I need to study in detail what kind of track is Malaysia before jumping into conclusions.

I would study and wld come back with my analysis by evening. Have faith in Merc and Schumi.

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Hope you're right. But only Sepang and a few in the middle-east are 'hot' tracks. The rest, they'll still struggle.

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varunf12012 wrote:Tyres graining and degradation hurts in slow corners much than in straights.
Disagree. Especially at a circuit like Albert Park. Having dying tyres means you brake earlier; you get on the power later - you get more wheelspin - and you won't even get to your topspeed driving like that.
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raymondu999 wrote:
varunf12012 wrote:Tyres graining and degradation hurts in slow corners much than in straights.
Disagree. Especially at a circuit like Albert Park. Having dying tyres means you brake earlier; you get on the power later - you get more wheelspin - and you won't even get to your topspeed driving like that.
Trust me under heavy fuel load the car starts sliding around as the tyres are unable to be switched on by Mercedes. In qualifying the car was ok as fuel load was negligible.

As for my statement "Tyres graining and degradation hurts in slow corners much than in straights" I meant that in straights the grained tyre was not so much of a performance variable as much as slow corners. I agree being on the power late top speed would not be achieved if the traction is low as in case of Mercedes.

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varunf12012 wrote:Tyres graining and degradation hurts in slow corners much than in straights. That is why tracks where there are low temepartures as well as slow corners Mercedes may not perform well to expectations however reverse would be the case on other tracks.

I have my fingers crossed for Malaysia. I need to study in detail what kind of track is Malaysia before jumping into conclusions.

I would study and wld come back with my analysis by evening. Have faith in Merc and Schumi.
If Australia temperatures aren't high enough for Mercedes....i have no idea what is.

Maybe higher temperatures dont suit Mercedes...

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varunf12012 wrote:Trust me under heavy fuel load the car starts sliding around as the tyres are unable to be switched on by Mercedes. In qualifying the car was ok as fuel load was negligible.
You do realise that it's much easier to heat the tyres up in the race, and the fuel load would help the heatup, of course?
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aduka11 wrote:If Australia temperatures aren't high enough for Mercedes....i have no idea what is.

Maybe higher temperatures dont suit Mercedes...
The race started at 5pm local time. Temps where not as high as they could be and in fact are probably below average for a GP.
More could have been done.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
aduka11 wrote:If Australia temperatures aren't high enough for Mercedes....i have no idea what is.

Maybe higher temperatures dont suit Mercedes...
The race started at 5pm local time. Temps where not as high as they could be and in fact are probably below average for a GP.
Yeah, but what do they expect to do then in Races like Canada or Silverstone.

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aduka11 wrote:
varunf12012 wrote:Tyres graining and degradation hurts in slow corners much than in straights. That is why tracks where there are low temepartures as well as slow corners Mercedes may not perform well to expectations however reverse would be the case on other tracks.

I have my fingers crossed for Malaysia. I need to study in detail what kind of track is Malaysia before jumping into conclusions.

I would study and wld come back with my analysis by evening. Have faith in Merc and Schumi.
If Australia temperatures aren't high enough for Mercedes....i have no idea what is.

Maybe higher temperatures dont suit Mercedes...
Australian track temp were on the low side my dear. Other tracks should suit them well. The tyres needs to be in the range of 100 DegC to 120 DegC for optimum performance.