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[beelsebob]

Why bother moving it forward like that when they're already planning on lowering the nose point height to half way up the wheel? Just add a small bounding box at the very front that's *even lower* and they'll all move to a McLaren nose straight away.

[King Six]

Why bother moving it forward like that when they're already planning on lowering the nose point height to half way up the wheel? Just add a small bounding box at the very front that's *even lower* and they'll all move to a McLaren nose straight away.

Don't ask me. The 'teams' wanted to keep their high monocoques. They didn't want to 'heavily revise' their suspensions either, and they didn't want to abandon their high nose aero philosophy and have to learn everything McLaren have been learning for the past 3 years either.

My solution allows the teams to keep their 'objections' about low noses and 'cost saving' whilst also not ruining the entire car.

But yes you're right, 2014 regulations are stipulating much lower nose tips anyway. It would make sense for the FIA to simply bring that rule forward to 2013. But I'm sure teams will protest/complain about how it makes everything too expensive...

I'm just trying to find a compromise between what the fans want, what the FIA wants and what the teams want.

[Nando]

Pointless rule.



will look better when they get noses like this,

[Gridlock]

Of course it wasn't pointless, all you've done is highlight that last year's Ferrari was already safer than the regs required. And perhaps that they shouldn't have thrown the F10/F150 lineage out with the bath water. Noses are now required to be 75mm (iirc) lower than allowed last year. This is safer.

[Nando]

Of course it wasn't pointless, all you've done is highlight that last year's Ferrari was already safer than the regs required. And perhaps that they shouldn't have thrown the F10/F150 lineage out with the bath water. Noses are now required to be 75mm (iirc) lower than allowed last year. This is safer.

Yea they looked at 2011 cars, decided that they had to do something in order for noses to NOT increase in height.

As you can see on the picture, they failed.

[Gridlock]

No, they recognised that noses were allowed to be higher than the drivers side impact protection and that this was not desirable.

This is now fixed.

[Dragonfly]

This is not fixed. Only if you made the effort to look at the comparison picture of Ferrari.

[myurr]

This is not fixed. Only if you made the effort to look at the comparison picture of Ferrari.

The height of the nose tip isn't the only important factor. If you have a low tip but a rapidly rising nose then once the first part of the nose is destroyed in a crash the rest of the nose will still then rise up and over the driver's side impact protection.

If you look again at the comparison picture of the noses you'll see that all the material, and therefore impact absorption capability, up until the front wheels is placed lower.

There is only one reason that we have these stupid stepped noses is because some of the teams decided to kick up a fuss about redesigning the front of their chassis and so we're left with this ugly compromise. The FIA are guilty of much incompetence, but in this instance it was those teams who pushed for this solution who must shoulder the blame.

[NathanOlder]

The FIA has lowered the height of the nose limit.

Not all teams were at the old Limit. So Ferrari werent a team that made the FIA bring this new height in. Ferrari had quite a low nose last year.

I would say Red Bull had a high nose (could be wrong) so they have had to lower their nose. Ferrari may have raised their nose, but where it is now, it is not deemed dangerous. only nose's at the old limit were deemed dangerous.

So F1 is safer now as their are NO high noses now.

Hope this helps and is easier to understand ?

[QLDriver]

Perhaps the reason for such a large bounding box was to prevent teams from making the nose tip further back? After all, if they made an FW26-style nose (albeit with a higher tip), they would be compliant with the rule, but no safer as the crash structure would still be up high.

[Websta]

Perhaps the reason for such a large bounding box was to prevent teams from making the nose tip further back? After all, if they made an FW26-style nose (albeit with a higher tip), they would be compliant with the rule, but no safer as the crash structure would still be up high.

Absolutely, I was about to say exactly this, including the walrus nose example.

[Guisson]

All that we can say is that the RB8 can suffer again in Malaysia especially in Qualifying as I bet A Mercedes will be at least in the top 4 , McLaren will be hard to catch but who knows .
The RB seems to have a good race pace so wait & see

[King Six]

Perhaps the reason for such a large bounding box was to prevent teams from making the nose tip further back? After all, if they made an FW26-style nose (albeit with a higher tip), they would be compliant with the rule, but no safer as the crash structure would still be up high.

I was thinking this, there would have to be additional rules that gave a minimum distance from the front wheel centreline or something (which probably already exists?) whilst also including a bounding box to keep the nose low without looking stupid or being high and short and dangerous.

But it's still possible. And it's still possible to create a low, safe, nose whilst keeping the old monocoque ...it's not too difficult I don't think. The FIA sort of rushed this rule in though, so it probably explains why it's so crude.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

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RB8; McLaren MP4-27 style
Not happy with the B version introduced in the last test session in Barcelona, as the Red Bull have changed both the area of the discharge visibly more similar to that of McLaren and changed the area in front of the route by introducing two modifications. The one in the big picture, and Friday was used with a horizontal cut, with lots of invitation in the leading edge to direct the flow in the lower zone of the lateral canals. Solution then eliminated Saturday with a concave area closed always equipped with vertical holder(strake) which serves to positively manage the vortices in this area.

[TheWiseOwl]

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You don't need to know italian...

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/ ... 4/943.html