Ferrari F2012

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
amouzouris wrote: why should this be a bad thing? i think that the fact that managed to hold alonso back even for a little shows good signs...not bad...
I agree in two respects. One, I don't want any team giving us anything. It was despicable how Torro Rosso moved right over for Seb. I don't want anyone doing that for us.

Two, Perez is at the top of the list for the next open seat at Ferrari. If he has a good year and shows that he's matured, he may very well get it.
I am sorry guys but I was very furious at Perez. He did not have the pace of Alonso and since he is looking for that Ferrari sit he should have let him through. I am watching recently the 98-2000 F1 reviews and Jean Todt is going to the pit wall of every car in front of MS those laped or those who dont have his pace, asking their bosses to talk on the radio to their drivers to let MS through. F1 is a tough business and in those days I could see so much determination from the team to win. Even the famous crash of MS with Coulthard in SPA Jean Todt was at Ron Denis asking him to let MS through. Red bull believe in the same principle and i think that's the right attitude. If Perez was ok for you guys than even the cruel Petrov who did not let Alonso through in Abu Dhabi should have been fine. Lewis Hamilton won the championship because TImo Glock let him through in the last corner. THIS IS F1.

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Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:http://mccabism.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/ ... epods.html

New sidepost for Ferrari
Ah you saw my tweet eh mate? McCabe is awesome, plain and simple. The blog is very informative. If you look through past pages from last years season, you can learn very much.

As for the F2012 sidepods, as he says if they change them, they will need to do much work. They may just very well move the acer ducts back(towards driver) a little bit. But as he said, it's a good solution if they can get it to work.

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Yes, i saw your tweet mate :)

But, it's at Barcelona Ferrari will bring the initial solution revised ?

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Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:Yes, i saw your tweet mate :)

But, it's at Barcelona Ferrari will bring the initial solution revised ?
Mugello for the test. What exactly the team will bring, we're not quite sure. Domenicali has said it will be an iteration of the launch exhaust. He said it provides a significant performance advantage. Maybe it will be changed a little bit? Maybe it will look the same? But Stefano said they will test it in Mugello and with the intention of using it in Spain. :))

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The team claims to know the problem with the car.
They said the same thing 3 or 4 races into last season about not being able to get enough heat into the tyres, they then spent the rest of the season trying fix it without doing so, understanding a problem and fixing one are different things.

I have no doubt that they will unlock some more pace from the car, however, Macca & RB have hit the ground running and can concentrate on true performance upgrades, Ferrari have a lot of work to do just to reach their original base line and will always be playing catch up, I think both titles will be out of reach before Ferrari have found their stride.
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The hacksaw work on that duct is shocking at this late stage. Makes me wonder what the internal cooling arrangements are like, if they're as interim. I'm also shocked that after an entire year of complaining about tyre activation problems this isn't the one car on the grid to work perfectly with the new rubber straight out of the box. I see a lot of firefighting, a lot of managed expectations and ironically probably a lot of people in Maranello hoping theres no Bahraini GP before the start of the European season.

I also think Ferrari are just sandbagging and we'll see Fernando Alonso's brain in a jar on the top step of the Hyperpodium, having won the WDC and the Galactic Constructors Championship 2078.

Then you'll be sorry.

(I apologise for the non-car content, this thread has been hard work up until, hmm, about Q1!)
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ema00 wrote:the good side of Ferrari:

43.945 Alonso

48.387 Vettel

46.112 Button

46.326 Hamilton

46.217 Webber

44.316 (the best two)

these are the sum of pit stop duration, look how fast are!!!
Great side of Ferrari, last year was just a laugh watching their pits, I cant remember a GP where they havent made a single mistake (minor or major, mistake is a mistake)... Now, its fast and hopefully relible, not just a one-race-stand.
Unc1e_M0nty wrote: They said the same thing 3 or 4 races into last season about not being able to get enough heat into the tyres, they then spent the rest of the season trying fix it without doing so, understanding a problem and fixing one two are different things.

I have no doubt that they will unlock some more pace from the car, however, Macca & RB have hit the ground running and can concentrate on true performance upgrades, Ferrari have a lot of work to do just to reach their original base line and will always be playing catch up, I think both titles will be out of reach before Ferrari have found their stride.
On a certain Serbian F1 news site (biggest authority here probabbly), i read that Domenicali said that "they know how to fix the problem, and now its a matter of solving it as quickly as possible"... Could be an honest mistake with translation, but it makes it different than last year, when they said that they have found the problem with tires. Btw, that problem is also obviously solved with this car... ;)

As for Perez (Im done offing, mods, please let this part stay here :)), it shows much more about him as a driver holding Alonso, and others, back when his tires are near death, then letting him pass as a possible team-player... For a contract with Ferrari, everyone would move, but that shows them you've got a lot more to offer.
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Vanja #66 wrote:
ema00 wrote:the good side of Ferrari:

As for Perez (Im done offing, mods, please let this part stay here :)), it shows much more about him as a driver holding Alonso, and others, back when his tires are near death, then letting him pass as a possible team-player... For a contract with Ferrari, everyone would move, but that shows them you've got a lot more to offer.
He is lucky that Domenciali is running things but if it as Marko or Todt would have been a different story. He probably would have been a comentator for Sky F1 channel or radio. :)

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Gridlock wrote:The hacksaw work on that duct is shocking at this late stage. Makes me wonder what the internal cooling arrangements are like, if they're as interim. I'm also shocked that after an entire year of complaining about tyre activation problems this isn't the one car on the grid to work perfectly with the new rubber straight out of the box. I see a lot of firefighting, a lot of managed expectations and ironically probably a lot of people in Maranello hoping theres no Bahraini GP before the start of the European season.

I also think Ferrari are just sandbagging and we'll see Fernando Alonso's brain in a jar on the top step of the Hyperpodium, having won the WDC and the Galactic Constructors Championship 2078.

Then you'll be sorry.

(I apologise for the non-car content, this thread has been hard work up until, hmm, about Q1!)
This years car has no problem getting the tyres to work on the first lap. This problem is fixed. I also think the fact Alonso started the race on softs and had pretty decent pace on both softs and mediums shows this is no longer an issue. But for some reason you ignore this fact.

Source: Pat Fry, Stefano Domenicali. --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVjGiraUSs8

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Just a slight touch of information.

They could be faster as i noticed a BOC Gas truck delivering nitrogen gas to Ferrari and Williams?

Guessing they are using this for the tyre guns?

Anyways new sidepods, will be interesting to see at Mugello time will tell.

Great Article by the way I shall sticky that so i can get updates from this fellow!
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:This years car has no problem getting the tyres to work on the first lap.
Subsequent laps? That's another story altogether. :lol:

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Seems many teams have issues getting the tires to hold on after some laps. Some worse than others.
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bhallg2k wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:This years car has no problem getting the tyres to work on the first lap.
Subsequent laps? That's another story altogether. :lol:
LOL, indeed. But hopefully some extra downforce will help. And hopefully Hamashima maybe figures something out. He was on the grid Sunday walking and having a look at all the cars taking notes on his pad. He was especially interested in the RB8. :)

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Jersey Tom wrote:Seems many teams have issues getting the tires to hold on after some laps. Some worse than others.
The overriding theme in many of your posts on the subject, to me at least, is that there are no absolutes with regard to tires. At the risk of asking you the mother-of-all tire questions, why are they apparently so damn difficult to figure out?