Malaysian GP 2012 - Sepang International Circuit

[MGPW03]

Quali
1- Hamilton
2- Button
3- Schumacher

Race
1- Button
2- Vettel
3- Hamilton or Schumacher

I somehow feel that McLaren 1-2 is unlikely but I can't explain it on logical grounds. One of the McLaren drivers will make a mistake or will have a reliability issue but thats just an instinctive feeling, it doesn't necessarily mean that I prefer it this way.

Are you guys really going to argue about an analysis that is entirely based on a wiild guess of fuel loads? What, are we back in testing again?

I never intended it to be analysis. At the moment it is just wild guess as you put it. But it is certainly different from testing, for example we have 2 tyre compounds compared to the 4 from testing, and lap times of longer runs were set at the same time of day in identical conditions. Should it be a dry race and should both MGP drivers be able to finish race then I could make some educated guesses like what was there average and best lap times in a given stint and how does this compare to their fastest practice session times and long run times and above all in comparison to long runs of other teams. It could then suggest who was running lighter on long runs during practice.

Man, I think I should not have posted the table in first place because every time someone says something about it, i feel compulsory to clarify my position as if I have said something utterly wrong or silly. But this is last post on this particular subject so if I don't reply to any thing relevant to it do not presume that I am being rude.

[Ray]

I seriously don't understand why everyone in Formula 1 is so damn hardheaded. Letting lapped cars past the safety car is EASY. Send a message to every team in the pit lane telling them to instruct their drivers to stop weaving back and forth until all cars have passed the safety car. When it's sorted tell them to inform the drivers to continue with warming their tires and brakes. It's really not that hard and everyone is being so stupidly hardheaded about this extremely simple problem. I think everyone is bitching just to hear themselves bitch. They can spend $100 million making a pair of race cars but they can't have lapped cars pass them under the safety car without having problems? Really? This is ridiculous. F1 is run by whiny children. Same thing happened with the lights in Singapore. Everyone in Formula 1 was making a big todo about lighting that track when Musco lighting in the US has YEARS of experience lighting race tracks and they didn't even mention them. This sport and series gets mor ridiculous every year. Everyone makes a mountain out of a molehill.

[raymondu999]

Slightly off topic - but I don't understand the rule fully. When the cars unlap themselves, do they do it fully? ie if we had Karthikeyan +3 Laps from the leader; does he then go about unlapping himself 3 times over?

[Guisson]

Ouch Bad for Lotus , Kimi hit with a grid penalty for Gearbox change..
Does the E20 suffers reliability or It's Kimi who's unlucky?
'cause after Steering , KERS and now Gearbox problems I'm seriously doubting about that..

[Carbon]

Does the E20 suffers reliability or It's Kimi who's unlucky?

Autosport reports that Kimi went off course, and in doing so, collected a bunch of grass/debris that blocked the gearbox cooler and over heated it.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98302

[Ray]

Slightly off topic - but I don't understand the rule fully. When the cars unlap themselves, do they do it fully? ie if we had Karthikeyan +3 Laps from the leader; does he then go about unlapping himself 3 times over?

No, he would gain one lap, and drive the full length of the circuit to be on the tail of the field. He would gain only one lap and be two laps down. The point of having this happen isn't to get everyone back on the lead lap, it's to move lapped cars from in-between unlapped cars so they don't get in the way and they can race from the get go instead of being blocked by slower cars. Formula 1 makes EVERYTHING harder than it needs to be.

[Bob Brown]

Ouch Bad for Lotus , Kimi hit with a grid penalty for Gearbox change..
Does the E20 suffers reliability or It's Kimi who's unlucky?
'cause after Steering , KERS and now Gearbox problems I'm seriously doubting about that..

Following Kimi's career, you know he is prone to horrible luck. It's just one of those sad things.

[raymondu999]

Slightly off topic - but I don't understand the rule fully. When the cars unlap themselves, do they do it fully? ie if we had Karthikeyan +3 Laps from the leader; does he then go about unlapping himself 3 times over?

No, he would gain one lap, and drive the full length of the circuit to be on the tail of the field. He would gain only one lap and be two laps down. The point of having this happen isn't to get everyone back on the lead lap, it's to move lapped cars from in-between unlapped cars so they don't get in the way and they can race from the get go instead of being blocked by slower cars. Formula 1 makes EVERYTHING harder than it needs to be.

So basically you unlap yourself to the point where track position = race position. Is that right? ie 1st is 1st on the road and 24th is 24th in the queue - just not necessarily on the same lap?

[Guisson]

Kimi knows how " to deal with it" he will probably drive his E20 to the limit tomorrow..
Anyway In my point of view
Qualifying:
(RBR far away Maybe in 8 or 9th position)
1-Lewis Hamilton
2-Jenson Button
3-Nico Rosberg

Race

1-Jenson Button
2-Lewis Hamilton
3-Vettel?Shumacher?

Exept if it rains of course..

[banibhusan]

So basically you unlap yourself to the point where track position = race position. Is that right? ie 1st is 1st on the road and 24th is 24th in the queue - just not necessarily on the same lap?

I doubt that. Because in the last race when the safety car came in on lap 37, Glock was 2 laps down on Button. And then he unlapped himself. And at again got lapped on lap 54. So if he was allowed to just unlap himself, then he still would have finished 2 laps behind Button. But the chart says he finished one lap behind Button. Isn't it?

My evidence:

Comparision of lap times between button and glock:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... mo%20Glock

FIA lap chart:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/champion ... chart.aspx

[Blackout]

Mercedes is everywhere... incredible hype around them... most overrated team since 2010.
Their race sim pace was awful today (I'm not saying they are slow, but I judge the facts) as well in Melbourne.

[siskue2005]

Mercedes is everywhere... incredible hype around them... most overrated team since 2010.
Their race sim pace was awful today (I'm not saying they are slow, but I judge the facts) as well in Melbourne.

wow, can you tell me the fuel weights of all the cars?
All we seen is 1 race where one of the car boke down and other car had problems, and even Perilli said there is no excess degradation in Merc

still that doesnt stop people from saying such sh!t

[WhiteBlue]

I believe that Red Bull will have superior race pace and McLaren will have the fastest one lap car.

Qualy:
Hamilton
Button
Schumacher

Race:
Vettel
Button
Hamilton

[raymondu999]

I believe that Red Bull will have superior race pace and McLaren will have the fastest one lap car.

I think McLaren are still faster in the race - but the tyres aren't holding together for them as well as for Red Bull. In a sort of self-equalising way; they're as much faster than Red Bull as their tyre wear is worse. It's funny - a complete role reversal to last year.

[Blackout]

Mercedes is everywhere... incredible hype around them... most overrated team since 2010.
Their race sim pace was awful today (I'm not saying they are slow, but I judge the facts) as well in Melbourne.

wow, can you tell me the fuel weights of all the cars?
All we seen is 1 race where one of the car boke down and other car had problems, and even Perilli said there is no excess degradation in Merc

still that doesnt stop people from saying such sh!t

When the 5 top cars witch are close in performance start lapping in the 1:44, and 1:45 in FP2, that means they started doing a race sim with full tanks Merc was slower than The RBR the Maccas and The Lotus. And I didn't say they are a second slower; I say people that allways place them among the fastest are the one who are saying bullshit and that they are annoying.

We all know that the hype around Merc since 2010 is mainly due to the Brawn epic season and due to Schumacher's presence, but not due to their performances...
Or maybe Mercedes is paying people to talk about them all day long.