Red Bull RB8 Renault

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Not necessarily. I'm sure it could be tuned to suit any given circuit's characteristics.

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raymondu999 wrote:I don't get that. They've been blowing hot and cold with that camera since 2010. Starting Silvy 2010 in that infamous front wing debacle - then they kept switching back and forth with it.
Is there any correlation between type of circuit and location of the cameras?
I say this as putting them on the outside of the nose may have a slight effect on air getting into the sidepods, so they tucked them out of the way here?

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Possible - but a bigger effect would be how it interacts with the front wing.
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Few pics


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Fascinating they were able to cut a hole through the bulkhead and the structure doesn't fall apart. I guess this is a fine example of when people should be careful about making claims about structure and mechanical engineering and calling other posters ignorant for thinking that putting a hole through the bulkhead was possible...obviously Red Bull managed just fine.

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In fairness, it doesn't appear that that hole is part of the main bulkhead. It appears to be just on top of it.

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Completely agree...the slot is above the structural bulkhead. When the dam vs slot debate was raging, we were told that this part could not withstand having a hole because it was designed to such exact safety factor that any hole in the entire cross section would make it too weak.

Now we can see that the main structure is not even affected by having a slot because that portion is not used for strength!

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volarchico wrote:Fascinating they were able to cut a hole through the bulkhead and the structure doesn't fall apart. I guess this is a fine example of when people should be careful about making claims about structure and mechanical engineering and calling other posters ignorant for thinking that putting a hole through the bulkhead was possible...obviously Red Bull managed just fine.
The exact point being made at the time was that adding a hole in the front bulkhead would require additional weight to bring the bulkhead up to the same strength level. Was this additional weight worth the aero benefit that a hole might provide considering no one else toke this approach.

RB is clearly second to McLaren. RB's management of the nose treatment is clearly up for negative speculation at this time.

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volarchico wrote:Completely agree...the slot is above the structural bulkhead. When the dam vs slot debate was raging, we were told that this part could not withstand having a hole because it was designed to such exact safety factor that any hole in the entire cross section would make it too weak.
The slot is clearly in the front bulkhead which is part of the chassis. There are no joints presented. The blue leading top edge of the letter box opening is also part of the bulkhead or chassis.

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Whats with the gap between the gurney of the diffuser and the diffuser itself?

http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/13292365

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[quote="RacingManiac"]Whats with the gap between the gurney of the diffuser and the diffuser itself?

'Stepped Gurney' Was there last year and well discussed at the time. The rules do not preclude such an arrangement.

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e30ernest wrote:In fairness, it doesn't appear that that hole is part of the main bulkhead. It appears to be just on top of it.
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That is what I think also. What I have highlighted in yellow looks like a joint. Could the section behind the top section be hollow and feed air through the rounded edges on the top of the chassis (RED)...for what I don't know.

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Or it´s just a driver cooling unit that also acts as an air cushion killing two birds with one stone.
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e30ernest wrote:In fairness, it doesn't appear that that hole is part of the main bulkhead. It appears to be just on top of it.
Some semantics need to be agreed upon.

The photo clearly high lights the pre-assembled shape of the front bulkhead subassembly. We can see a number of bond lines. It would be my claim that once the subassembly is bonded to the nose of the chassis the front bulkhead actually grows is size to be represented by all of the forward facing surfaces. At a minimum the bulkhead sub-assembly could have been made taller and thus stronger if there was no slot.

I would also say that they are still using last years chassis lay-up or design. The 'letter box' front bulkhead subassembly was simply made shorter to form the letterbox slot. They could of just machined the top off the old front bulkhead subassembly and accepted the reduced strength. Oddly they used a spacer block, inside the red circle, to makeup for the difference in height.

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Brian if you really think that any team, let alone the defending champions are using a 2011 chassis then you have clearly gone full retard, and you never go full retard.