Only 9 laps into the race, the Malaysian GP was stopped due to the rainy conditions, only to be restarted one hour later. It wasn't however any less interesting, with Alonso eventually winning the race after withstanding intense pressure from Sergio Pérez. Lewis Hamilton finished third after an unspectacular performance.
If you watch that in full speed, you'll see that Vettel shoots past Karthikeyan very quickly, but continues in a direction that would have pushed Karthikeyan off the track if he didn't slow down, as the actual racing line was in no way where Sebastian Vettel was heading.
Karthikeyan was proceeding to retake the racing line after Vettel shot past him, but Vettel was making a move almost like he was trying to squeeze Karthikeyan to the edge, or off of the track.
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raymondu999 wrote:
I'm not. My home country IS still communist. And it will probably stay that way for a lot longer. But my beef was against your singling out the Chinese GP as the "Communist GP"
You should of seen my post regards to the Austin GP and also if the Russian GP goes ahead, i try to make light of a grand prix.
Its like one member who messaged me who asked how the "Dingo Ate My Baby Grand Prix" (Dig at Melbourne GP) I just laugh it off.
I have nothing against Chinese GP especially when my partner is Chinese basically I would be shooting myself in the foot?
If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari.
bhallg2k wrote:
3. You lost me here. Are we talking about the same car? We can't be, because I don't see how being behind 4-5 teams this year is considered more competitive than being behind 2 teams last year. Unless, of course, you're under the impression that F1 is scored like golf. (Karthikeyan's dream.)
Don't understand why you lost yourself here. There's a big difference between a grid with one big dominant car wich is 1.5 seconds per lap ahead all but another team with only a winning car (not a dominant one)... and a grid where you only find three or four (maybe more) potential winning cars.
Even if you don't have a great car, the second situation allows you to be competitive with normal aero improvements of about 0.4/0.5 in each evolution. The first don't allow this.
Called "pathetic" a second time for putting forth my opinion in a civilised manner, never mind other insults.
But why can't you guys keep civilised ?
not to insult is only the first step of civilization.
I acknowloedge that you did insult anyone (at least IN the thread) buy I don't find at all your posts as civilized.
you presented a VERY subjective interpretation as a plain objective truth and pretend that everyone acknowledge it...
that's not civilised: actually that's typical of fundamenatalistic thinking.
A civilized way to present your opinion would have sounded like
"guys i know that I don't have the smallest proof of what I'm saying and that's hard to believe but IMHO perez went off on purpose"
You're right, that's my bad. I was disgusted by what I believed I was seeing. It still could be true though, what makes things complicated here is Ferrari/Alonso fans (not fanboys) will find it quite hard to ask themselves the question. I still urge you though.
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Hamilton should be having words with Mclaren after this race, their strategy was poor. Waiting for that rain to fall was silly. As Brundle says, make sure you are on the right tyre at the right time, slicks were waiting for two laps to be put on!
If you watch that in full speed, you'll see that Vettel shoots past Karthikeyan very quickly, but continues in a direction that would have pushed Karthikeyan off the track if he didn't slow down
Look at the bit I pointed out - Karthikeyan clearly leaves the edge of the circuit.
Also - is it just me, or is the 2012 McLaren team+driver combo sort of like the 2010 Red Bull? Quickest car - but often the driver/team seem to conspire to lose points and victories.
SiLo wrote:Hamilton should be having words with Mclaren after this race, their strategy was poor. Waiting for that rain to fall was silly. As Brundle says, make sure you are on the right tyre at the right time, slicks were waiting for two laps to be put on!
Button also got first pick on pitting for tyres again, despite Hamilton being in front.
The Vettle v. Karthikeyan event is tricky I think. It looks like Karthikeyan took the nromal racing line out of 8, and as a result clipped Vettel's rear-left. However, Vettel seemed to jink a bit to the left, maybe more than Karthikeyan expected. It almost seems like they met each other in the middle.
The speed differential between Vettel and Karthikeyan through 8 (and subsequently 7) looked quite large (as one would expect), so unless there were blue flags/lights or the team were onto Karthikeyan on the radio warning him of Vettel coming through, then I doubt Karthikeyan would have had much of an idea where Vettel was or where he was going. It's hard to tell but it does kind of look like Karthikeyan was off the racing line and keeping some room, but at the same time seemed to be right behind a Marussia (who I am assuming was a position up).
My view of it was Karthikeyan may have run a bit wide out of 8, had some idea that Vettel was behind him, realised that Vettel was taking him on the inside, but didn't realise how close Vettel was. Similarly, Vettel didn't realise that Karthikeyan was going to take the normal racing line and assumed he had seen him enough to ensure he didn't clip him. Vettel does veer to the left, maybe to rejoin the racing line, maybe to get a wet patch of the track, I don't know, but as I mentioned early, it seems the two drivers in effect met half way, much to Vettel's detriment. This is now old news probably, but there you go.
Anyway, as a Williams fan, I give great praise to Senna for his great climb up the field. Did any else notice that Maldonado stuffed up his first stop for slicks (I think it was for slicks). I believe Lewis exited right behind him and he seemed to turn to go in, but it looks like he completely missed the entire team. Tut tut tut.
Alonso was on song for the race. Perez outstanding in a car that was working incredibly well in the conditions (Kobayashi didn't seem to get quite as much performance out of his Sauber though). I think had pit issues not hampered Hamilton, he would have been in it at the end as well, but these things do and did happen.
Looking at the lap history, it seems the (big) key to Alonso's victory was the performance of the car (and himself) on the intermediates (and this goes for Perez as well, although on slicks the Sauber was flying). After everyone decided the slick tyres were to go, a number of the teams following Alonso/Perez (Red Bulls, Hamilton (to some extent), Williams, Raikkonen, Nico Hulkenburg just looking quickly) made a good amount of time on Alonso. According to lap history, both Maldonado and Webber made at least 15 seconds to Alonso within the first 5 laps after their stops. Others made smaller gains or were at least on par. Alonso seemed to pick up the pace a little towards the end of the race, but the difference between the pace between Alonso and the other front runners pre and post slicks is quite interesting.
SiLo wrote:Hamilton should be having words with Mclaren after this race, their strategy was poor. Waiting for that rain to fall was silly. As Brundle says, make sure you are on the right tyre at the right time, slicks were waiting for two laps to be put on!
Button also got first pick on pitting for tyres again, despite Hamilton being in front.
I think they might've attempted to use Button as a guinea pig on this occasion honestly to see whether it was the right time to put on slicks for Hamilton.
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Hail22 wrote:
Your reasonable opinion became a "forced" one after you could not respect the majorities view
Ah, the majority view yes... Which happened to bring Hitler to power once.
exactly the opposite. all dictators at the beginnig use a fake civilised approach like you saying gently hugely violent things...
don't you really understand how violent is to accuse (without any evidence at all) the most winning and prestigious F1 team to be a group of bandits?
I think "without any evidence at all" would be rich to say, don't you think? Many (if not all) forum members here are well aware of Ferrari's exploits on and off the track in the past. Don't make me list all of them now.
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Reason:Godwin's law activated.
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stefan_ wrote:
Call me paranoid, but I think something is going on at RB. Come in, stay out, retire NOW - when Vettel was out of the points - hmm...
And on the final lap Vettel matched the leaders in the first and middle sector. Nothing wrong with that car.
Free box change by avoiding a penalty? I highly doubt the FIA will swallow that pill down so easily.
"If a driver fails to finish a race due to reasons beyond his or his team's control, he may start the next meeting with a different gearbox without incurring a penalty."
had they just said something like: "stop the car it's dangerous we think something broke from the puncture" it might have worked, but...
must have realised they screwed up, he did finish the race
