Malaysian GP 2012 - Sepang International Circuit

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Shrieker wrote:
GrizzleBoy wrote:
SiLo wrote:Hamilton should be having words with Mclaren after this race, their strategy was poor. Waiting for that rain to fall was silly. As Brundle says, make sure you are on the right tyre at the right time, slicks were waiting for two laps to be put on!
Button also got first pick on pitting for tyres again, despite Hamilton being in front.
I think they might've attempted to use Button as a guinea pig on this occasion honestly to see whether it was the right time to put on slicks for Hamilton.
He got the first choice for the full wets too, which ended up putting him in front of Hamilton. (He did, didn't he? Maybe I'm wrong).

The whole reason why people defended not giving Hamilton first pick on tyres last race was because it was team policy to not give the guy behind their first driver the possibility of the undercut, but they were more than happy for Button to get ahead of Hamilton with pit strategy this time around.

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Shrieker wrote: I think they might've attempted to use Button as a guinea pig on this occasion honestly to see whether it was the right time to put on slicks for Hamilton.
GrizzleBoy wrote:He got the first choice for the full wets too, which ended up putting him in front of Hamilton. (He did, didn't he? Maybe I'm wrong).
It didn't but it would have, had Button not gotten stuck behind (no pun intended :P )Schumi. When Hamilton came out of the pits Jenson must've been very close behind him cause the onboard shot of Button showed he was on Lewis' gearbox hassling him for a few turns. In the 2nd round of stops, well... I don't remember who came in first. But I recall Hamilton -after his slow pitstop- coming out behind Button by an absolute whisker so Button must've gone into the 2nd stop first as well, but under what circumstances, again I don't remember.
GrizzleBoy wrote: The whole reason why people defended not giving Hamilton first pick on tyres last race was because it was team policy to not give the guy behind their first driver the possibility of the undercut, but they were more than happy for Button to get ahead of Hamilton with pit strategy this time around.
While I see where you're coming from, on this occasion Button might've decided to go on to full wets by himself. They might've asked Lewis first or could've given Button the choice when Lewis didn't make a request, quite honestly we don't know, and I'm not sure anymore the " you're in front, you decide" policy applies to Hamilton.
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bhallg2k wrote:
Postmoe wrote:Can I ask a question? Why I've ended in this thread when I was replying in "Formula One cars"?

Normal?
Sadly, yes.
Because you weren't talking about the car, or if you were, it was not technical, it was about the race.

I moved the messages here to keep from clouding the topic of the car with off topic banter.

The car threads are meant to be technical threads, dealing with specifics of the car. Not generalities of performance. Performance changes from race to race, so that is where that is to be discussed.
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raymondu999 wrote:I don't understand the cucumber reference. Can someone help me out?
Bad translation.

It was a german interview. "Gurke", which he used, in this context does not mean cucumber but something inapt. "Dud" would probably be a good translation.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO3cwDcmT68[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTkjhonZUUE[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTCv5V_v0LE[/youtube]

I was somewhat intrigued by Lewis's comment that he was looking for a consistency that he had in 2007; but didn't understand how he managed that.
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Great drive from Alonso, he deserve the win!!
Perez also stunning performance.

Vettel is still a driver which, if not in front or in a good car/good position (AUS for example), will get somewhat nervous and loses it's coolness, concentration or whatever it is what he had most of the last season. Of course Karthikeyan should not have moved so quickly to the right, but a driver like Vettel should also count in for some mistakes and leave more room. He clearly had enough room to do this. The move of Karthikeyan was not _that_ big.

And that interview with Vettel...not sure what to say about him. As soon as he is in difficult situations, he seems to loose decency, and he did obviously not improve during last year, in contrary to what i believed.

As for a Ferrari/Sauber cross-team order:
If there was one, for sure Perez would not have carried it out this way....no way.
And he would have been dark in his face, as would others. You cannot hide an irritation. And for sure not the engineer, the driver and the teamboss all together, they were so happy in such a genuine manner....

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Abarth wrote: As for a Ferrari/Sauber cross-team order:
If there was one, for sure Perez would not have carried it out this way....no way.
And he would have been dark in his face, as would others. You cannot hide an irritation. And for sure not the engineer, the driver and the teamboss all together, they were so happy in such a genuine manner....
Of course they were happy. 2nd is a fantastic result for Sauber and Perez. They say read between the lines. The tone in which his engineer relayed the message "we need to keep this position" for me was telling. Not to mention Ferrari's past exploits but I've banged about it too much already.

Had it not been a crimson car in front of them today, Sauber and Perez were race winners I'll maintain that.
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Forget it...

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Giblet wrote:Well, I would like to say that I misread the incident, that was for sure NK's fault.

Sorry WB. I tip my hat.
I take that as an apology for the tinted glasses comment. Btw. the stewards also saw Katikeyan at fault and gave him a drive through penalty for causing an unnecessary accident.

Button took the blame for the other crash with Katikeyan but I'm not sure I fully agree with him. Button is too much of a gentleman to blame someone else when the situation is unclear.

I remain convinced that Katikeyan simply has an attitude problem. He handles being lapped by top drivers as if he had a right to get in their way. He has not. He is the one who must make way even when it costs him time. He is interfering with the championship that way. And that is not right. He needs a bigger penalty to change his ways. I hope someone makes that clear to him in the next driver conference.
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WhiteBlue wrote:
Giblet wrote:Well, I would like to say that I misread the incident, that was for sure NK's fault.

Sorry WB. I tip my hat.
I take that as an apology for the tinted glasses comment. Btw. the stewards also saw Katikeyan at fault and gave him a drive through penalty for causing an unnecessary accident.

Button took the blame for the other crash with Katikeyan but I'm not sure I fully agree with him. Button is too much of a gentleman to blame someone else when the situation is unclear.

I remain convinced that Katikeyan simply has an attitude problem. He handles being lapped by top drivers as if he had a right to get in their way. He has not. He is the one who must make way even when it costs him time. He is interfering with the championship that way. And that is not right. He needs a bigger penalty to change his ways. I hope someone makes that clear to him in the next driver conference.
It was an apology, of course. There is nothing wrong with rooting for your countryman and/or favorite driver. It wasn't meant as an insult, just an observation.

And yes, NK has to accept he is not a top flight driver, and is there because of money. They made the call today that the slow teams always take. The high risk tire choice is the only possible way for them to gain position in these conditions, and today they lucked out.
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Abarth wrote:Vettel is still a driver which, if not in front or in a good car/good position (AUS for example), will get somewhat nervous and loses it's coolness, concentration or whatever it is what he had most of the last season. Of course Karthikeyan should not have moved so quickly to the right, but a driver like Vettel should also count in for some mistakes and leave more room. He clearly had enough room to do this. The move of Karthikeyan was not _that_ big.

And that interview with Vettel...not sure what to say about him. As soon as he is in difficult situations, he seems to loose decency, and he did obviously not improve during last year, in contrary to what i believed.
The stewards and I do not agree with you on Vettel. Katikeyan needs talking to and I hope Herbert had a word with him. Obviously Vettel's comment wasn't very gentleman like, but you have to give him a bit of leeway in an emotionally difficult situation. He will regret it and be a bit more polite the next time the sh!t hits the fan. He is someone who learns quickly and that also includes reigning in his temper.
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F1 Malaysia 2012 - Vettel team radio's at the last lap

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JieCLevAsLI[/youtube]

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I heard that too - Some people (and myself included, I have to admit) thought they wanted the free gearbox change that would be allowed after a retirement; but Vettel did finally cross the line on his own power did he not?
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Didn't he have radio issues last race as well?
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