Malaysian GP 2012 - Sepang International Circuit

[GrizzleBoy]

Great race overall. Shame to see McLaren ruin Hamilton's pit stop and HRT effectively take out Button.

Wow.

Just Wow.

Button tripped on a f...ng HRT and you come and say that here ?

Had Lewis done that people would be mocking him in any way possible. When Button does it it's HRT's fault.

Button did a BAD mistake which ruined his race, as much as I don't like him he said LIKE A MAN that the mistake was his. I agree with the part that HRT are too slow, but it's not their fault when someone comes and hits them from behind when they've been cleared to race.

I don't think Button didn't make a huge mistake. He came in too hot and collided with the HRT. That is a fact. Yes, they were fighting for position and Button hit the HRT. What I meant was that the HRT shouldn't be on the track, they are just too slow. I didn't see it as Button didn't eff up royally, I meant that the HRTs being so slow they shouldn't have even been allowed to race. And had the same happened to Lewis I would have said the same thing. The HRT cars are blatantly too slow and shouldn't be allowed to race. I think one of them was 8 seconds of the leader in Q1. That is inexcusable. End of story. 107% rule or not, that is dangerously slow and even more so in the wet.

You're letting your love of Lewis influence your opinion. Same as others that are biased. Fact is, he's been outraced and outscored by Button since last season. Should Lewis have gotten first pick on stops? I don't know, I'm not McLaren and I'm not in charge. I can't make that decision and neither can you. People like you come here to cry foul and throw up your ridiculous conspiracies that every time Lewis doesn't smoke his teammate outright that they hate him. YOU are the problem, not me. YOU are always crying about Lewis getting screwed by McLaren. What sense does it make for them to --- over Lewis? That is an honest question. How can you justify your accusations? If McLaren were actively screwing Lewis don't you think he's smart enough to see that? Do you think so little of your hero that you believe yourself to be smarter and more aware of what's going on? Really? And you come here an accuse me? EVERY time Lewis is beaten, EVERY time something doesn't work out in his favor and his alone you and others come here an bleat about how McLaren hate him. Get over yourself, you aren't in the team, you aren't Lewis and you have no authority to lay accusations on them. If what you say is true, he would be out of McLaren at first chance but he's not. So quit crying. Lewis has manned up and got one with last season and so should you.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I don't hate McLaren despite my avatar. I have massive respect for Ron Dennis and all of McLaren, I just thought it was funny. Especially the picture of Ron, I've never seen a picture of him with that expression before. I've found a much funnier avatar but I'm not sure Tomba would approve even though it is "racing related" as he put it.

All he said is that Lewis would have got a lot of stick/publicity for making that same move and you cant say he's wrong in that regard without being untruthful to yourself.

Tbh, your reasoning for how HRT "took out Button" is far more ridiculous than someone saying Lewis would have been roasted for that same move.

[Ray]

All he said is that Lewis would have got a lot of stick/publicity for making that same move and you cant say he's wrong in that regard without being untruthful to yourself.

Tbh, your reasoning for how HRT "took out Button" is far more ridiculous than someone saying Lewis would have been roasted for that same move.

True, he said that in that one post. But this forum is littered with conspiracy after conspiracy of McLaren actively and purposely "screwing" Lewis at every little screwup that involves him. This thread included. And yes, my post was worded incorrectly and didn't accurately convey what I meant and for that I apologize. HRT should pack up and come back when they have a car that isn't close to 10 seconds off the pace in dry conditions. They are rolling accidents. I don't fault them for being so far behind, I'm positive they are busting hump and working very hard to get faster, but they shouldn't be racing in Formula 1. Will Buxton (I think) mentioned on twitter that the GP2 polesitter was something like less than half a second slower than the HRTs. That alone is enough to send them packing, much less what happened in the race today.

[MuseF1]

I don't think McLaren are purposely 'screwing' LH, that would be counter productive. I think most people believe that McLaren keep messing up his strategy from being too cautious

GP2 car 0.5 off a HRT?!!! That's madness! It doesn't help that they haven't got any testing in, they shouldn't be allowed to do a GP if they haven't tested really. Could you imagine a rear wing failure at turns 11 & 12 at Melbourne

[Ray]

I think that's what Will Buxton said, I can't find it on twitter now, but I know someone said that the GP2 cars were way less than a second off the HRTs overall. I could be wrong though and feel free to call me out on it. Wouldn't surprise me though. That car is a boat anchor.

[Shrieker]

@Ray,

I do fancy Hamilton, however I don't let my feelings cloud my judgement, at least I try. Button's mistake today was low for a top tier F1 driver, yet he didn't get any flak from me or others here, which I think should be the standard for all F1 drivers.

Yet we still know how Hamilton would've fared had he been the one tapping the HRT.

"His head is not in it."

"Nicole bla bla bla.."

"Spoilt brat bla bla bla...His father bla bla. Ron Dennis bla bla bla BLAH!"

Let's say it was indeed "race fixing". Could you give us one single reason why Perez would have to risk getting stuck in the gravel, throwing away the best ever race finish for Sauber and his career best, in order to "fake it"? Why not do it on a slow and safer corner?

You might be right, and he did come close to the edge of the gravel, I'd argue that at no point he lost control and was at risk of running into the gravel; but let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Still though,

“Odd how with less than 10 laps left, Sauber tell Perez over the radio that Alonsos tyres are older than his (a bit of a come-on..?), Perez then closes within a second of Alonso, only to be told to hold ‘we need this position…’”

[MuseF1]

It could have been Perez first victory. It could well have been his only victory. I can't see Perez taking an order to not win the race.
And Sauber are hardly contending for victory every race, I doubt they even have a code for such things

[munudeges]

Perez steamed up to the back of Alonso so fast it was pretty obvious he could easily have passed under DRS. At stake was probably Ferrari's engine supply and backing as well as a now guaranteed Ferrari drive for Perez. They were getting a lot of points regardless.

It's a political world............

[MuseF1]

And as many people have said, its very risky to do what he did to try not to win the race, if this is indeed what he done.
The corner he went wide on is very tricky. It wouldn't surprise me that he got caught out, especially with being in Alonso's dirty air.

[munudeges]

We all saw what happened and what was at stake. That Sauber was going to beat that Ferrari.

[Guisson]

I think the slowness of HRT/Marussia will lead us to something that Bernie itself have proposed and wich both of Macca/RB denied it
“customer cars
RB7 for HRT
MP4-26 for Marussia
No more slow cars like that , but I did not expect none of those to share their technologies..especially with a 2 year experienced Team that is just as good as a GP2 Team..Sorry but Jordan Grand Prix was better .

[MuseF1]

Customer cars are a bad idea. What happens when a customer Red Bull or Mclaren beats a Caterham or Torro Rosso who have built their own cars? That would be unfair.

And then who gets the constructor's points? HRT or Marrusia just purchased a car and glued it all together

[Hangaku]

After watching this video, I think that the only idiots in Malaysia, were Sebastien Vettel and his boss:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17504555

Wow. Way to conduct yourselves, RedBull. Very professional. /golfclap.

NK has nothing to gain from chopping Vettel up, Vettel only had something to lose from being behind NK. At the very best it was a racing incident, that could have been avoided had Vettel not hijacked the corner exit.

[GrizzleBoy]

For anyone trying to dismiss/defend the McLaren garages abysmal performance during pits:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/03/25/2 ... pit-stops/

Consistently quick pit stops from Ferrari helped Fernando Alonso on his way to an improbable win. His lap 14 stop allowed him to leapfrog both McLaren drivers – the corresponding pit stops for Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton were three and five seconds slower respectively.

Hamilton lost time in this visit as the rear jack did not go on properly and the team had to hold him in his pit box. His lap 41 visit was little better – as one mechanic struggle to remove tape from one of his brakes, Hamilton made an early departure.

Hamilton lost 8.5 seconds to Alonso over his three pit stops – more than half his deficit of 14.5 seconds at the finishing line. “In general, we lost some time in the pit stops and I was pushed out of the fight somewhat,” said Hamilton after the race.

[SiLo]

I think we can all agree, Vettel was partly to blame for his incident, not wholly, Button said it was his fault, so it was his fault, Hamilton had a bit of bad luck with pitstops, possibly cost him the race, Perez made a mistake, he admitted that, and Alonso was hustling the crap out of the car when he needed to. Close thread now?

[munudeges]

Of course it was Vettel's fault. He cut right across a car he thought he had passed, not for the first time showing a lack of spacial awareness.