Malaysian GP 2012 - Sepang International Circuit

[munudeges]

For anyone trying to dismiss/defend the McLaren garages abysmal performance during pits:

Shocking really. What was all that silly faffing about with tape? Surely they could have planned that better?

[Ray]

@Ray,

I do fancy Hamilton, however I don't let my feelings cloud my judgement, at least I try. Button's mistake today was low for a top tier F1 driver, yet he didn't get any flak from me or others here, which I think should be the standard for all F1 drivers.

Yet we still know how Hamilton would've fared had he been the one tapping the HRT.

"His head is not in it."

"Nicole bla bla bla.."

"Spoilt brat bla bla bla...His father bla bla. Ron Dennis bla bla bla BLAH!"

That's all true, but that doesn't dismiss the fact that the HRT doesn't belong on the track with other F1 cars. It's simply too slow. Also, as little as I care for Nicole and the "music" she sells, I feel kinda bad for her. She looks so apprehensive in the garage in every shot I've seen of her. She looks REALLY uncomfortable there. I wonder why.

As for the McLaren mechanics botching his second stop and not getting the jack under the car, Lewis was easily over a foot past his marks. That would have screwed them up pretty badly. And really? Bitching about not getting tape off fast enough? (not directed at you specifically Shrieker) Since when does any tape come off right every single time you try to remove it. --- happens. Get over it.

For anyone trying to dismiss/defend the McLaren garages abysmal performance during pits:
blah blah

Everything isn't black and white. Mercedes was hot in the pits last year, are you going to use that as a crutch to support your whining? Get over yourself, we get it. McLaren made mistakes in the pits, they weren't the only ones and like I said above, on the stop Lewis made where the jack didn't go under correctly he was about a foot past his marks.

[djos]

NK has nothing to gain from chopping Vettel up, Vettel only had something to lose from being behind NK. At the very best it was a racing incident, that could have been avoided had Vettel not hijacked the corner exit.

So true, once again Vettel thinks other drivers with just power up their transporter and beam themselves off the track for him! really lame, totally his fault and he needs to man up like Jensen did and admit he screwed up!

[jddh1]

I think we can all agree, Vettel was partly to blame for his incident, not wholly, Button said it was his fault, so it was his fault, Hamilton had a bit of bad luck with pitstops, possibly cost him the race, Perez made a mistake, he admitted that, and Alonso was hustling the crap out of the car when he needed to. Close thread now?

Let's do it.

[WhiteBlue]

I think we can all agree, Vettel was partly to blame for his incident, not wholly, Button said it was his fault, so it was his fault...

We all agree on very little and certainly not on what you said. The above is no discussion contribution but rhetorics and unworthy of a forum that deals with engineering and scientific issues.

[djos]

We all agree on very little and certainly not on what you said. The above is no discussion contribution but rhetorics and unworthy of a forum that deals with engineering and scientific issues.

When was the last time you admitted that golden balls made a mistake? Never!

[donskar]

Great drive by Alonso, cementing his position as one of the greats.
Even better drive by Perez, the man who will replace Massa (IMHO).
If McLaren's pit stops had equalled Alonso's, he still would have been well clear of them.
HRT should be allowed (and "encouraged") to skip a couple races to get their car performing at something better than a disgraceful level.
Good to see Vettel NOT leading. Good to see RBR NOT dominating. I look forward to Vettel and Newey rising to the occasion.

[GrizzleBoy]

Everything isn't black and white. Mercedes was hot in the pits last year, are you going to use that as a crutch to support your whining? Get over yourself, we get it. McLaren made mistakes in the pits, they weren't the only ones and like I said above, on the stop Lewis made where the jack didn't go under correctly he was about a foot past his marks.

Mercedes has nothing to do with what I said. People were downplaying the pit crews horrible performance and I showed evidence that showed how their poor pits contributed to Hamilton getting put back in third from the lead and being 8 seconds out of the 14 he was behind the leader of the race at the finish.

Would you like to explain how the car stopping about 20cm further than usual is somehow going to make the rear jack man completely forget how to use his jack and have to fumble around 3-4 times over the course of about 2 seconds before he actually gets it under the car, or are you really going to maintain the opinion that the rear jack man cant handle the car stopping 20cm further than the reference line and that stopping 20cm past some arbitrary line decreases his knowledge of how to use a car jack?

If that's the case, then all you're doing is supporting the notion that there is indeed costly incompetance within the pit crew and not really doing much to discredit me.

Everything is not black and white for sure, but it's quite obvious that in terms of strategy and pit crews, McLaren leave something to be desired for a top team.

[Hail22]

I think we can all agree, Vettel was partly to blame for his incident, not wholly, Button said it was his fault, so it was his fault, Hamilton had a bit of bad luck with pitstops, possibly cost him the race, Perez made a mistake, he admitted that, and Alonso was hustling the crap out of the car when he needed to. Close thread now?

Let's do it.

Agreed, lock time

[Ray]

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No I won't explain. I don't like arguing with someone who just wants to hate all over a team they aren't a part of. If you think McLaren is so terrible I'm sure they'd love to have your talents in the pits. Go and help them out, obviously you think they need it.

[dave34m]

I think we can all agree, Vettel was partly to blame for his incident, not wholly, Button said it was his fault, so it was his fault, Hamilton had a bit of bad luck with pitstops, possibly cost him the race, Perez made a mistake, he admitted that, and Alonso was hustling the crap out of the car when he needed to. Close thread now?

Let's do it.

Agreed, lock time

You can stop reading anytime you want to, you dont have to wait untl its locked

[Pierce89]

I think we can all agree, Vettel was partly to blame for his incident, not wholly, Button said it was his fault, so it was his fault, Hamilton had a bit of bad luck with pitstops, possibly cost him the race, Perez made a mistake, he admitted that, and Alonso was hustling the crap out of the car when he needed to. Close thread now?

Let's do it.

Agreed, lock time

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[bhall]

I have legs! I can see!

[mithun]

HRT AT P10. Narain did a good job. HRT did a even good job with practically no testing t hey did a very good job of finishingt he race. More time now untill the next weekend at china. Guys all the best. Narain do not think on these creahes vettel is at a stage where he wants to be at. frustrated . Never take things at heart. great race.

When you set out from india to race at F1. Not many can undestand teh toils or hardships to establish this. When ppl say bad driver .. aged driver poor team TATA SHUD STOP SPONSORSHIP.

But wen u ar p10. tahst wat you wanted all your life. race at f1. and try to gain a position. all the best mate.

[sesku]

HRT AT P10. Narain did a good job. HRT did a even good job with practically no testing t hey did a very good job of finishingt he race. More time now untill the next weekend at china. Guys all the best. Narain do not think on these creahes vettel is at a stage where he wants to be at. frustrated . Never take things at heart. great race.

When you set out from india to race at F1. Not many can undestand teh toils or hardships to establish this. When ppl say bad driver .. aged driver poor team TATA SHUD STOP SPONSORSHIP.

But wen u ar p10. tahst wat you wanted all your life. race at f1. and try to gain a position. all the best mate.

Better use proper english and spelling.