Only 9 laps into the race, the Malaysian GP was stopped due to the rainy conditions, only to be restarted one hour later. It wasn't however any less interesting, with Alonso eventually winning the race after withstanding intense pressure from Sergio Pérez. Lewis Hamilton finished third after an unspectacular performance.
The radio communications go to the FIA/FOM at the same time as the drivers. Just because we could hear it doesn't mean that Vettel could. That is not proof, not even close.ArchAngel wrote:]
No radio, eh? Wouldn't know this from the comically frantic instructions they kept transmitting to Vettel in the last lap about stopping on track, taking the checkered flag, or boxing the car. This Horner is a piece of work.
I was thinking about that - and thinking what it would mean to see a Senna on the podium again. But he should leave his helmet on, just raise the visor. The similarity to Ayrton is stunning.GrizzleBoy wrote:New faces on the podium please.
Vettel did not have to take the blame. Why should he. The stewards agreed with him that the collision was caused by NK.SeijaKessen wrote:Vettel's refusal to accept blame in a lot of situations reminds me an awful lot of the way Schumacher was in the early 90s.
Watch the video. Vettel was right behind Alonso. NK made space for Alonso and got out of shape over a curb at the corner entry. He then went through the corner all right and was under good traction at the corner exit where Vettel made his pass.NathanOlder wrote:@ WhiteBlue
What was Alonso's role in all of this As far as im aware, Fernando was 20 seconds up the road ?
I disagree. The rule I quoted says he has to let him through as soon as possible. As a practical means for giving discretion for punishment of not letting pass the three corner criterion is sometimes used. In this case it was irrelevant because the fault was causing a collision and not failure to let pass.myurr wrote:WhiteBlue - several problems with your analysis:
1) The blue lights are for the next car behind they don't specify how many cars to let through, nor should it be taken as given that a car will let you through on the first corner you come across them. Under the blue flag rules Karthikeyan actually had three corners within which to let Vettel through.
I have already commented that the curb wobble happened on the entry to the corner. HK then drove through the whole corner, passed the apex well away from the outer limit under good traction as visible and closed to the curb again on the exit of the corner. The point I'm making is that his instability occurred on the entry and not at the exit. He had the car well under control by the time Vettel made his pass at the exit of the corner. I very much doubt that he even was on the curb at the exit. With my observations it is not difficult to verify this from the video.2) You can clearly see on the onboard video from Vettel's car that as NK is letting the car ahead through that the rear of his car squirms showing that he was struggling for traction. Sure a bit of a lift could have helped sort the rear end out but there was no obligation for him to do so.
A simple glance would have told him that he was under blue flag condition. I know for sure that the system is accurate enough to reliably show the in board light when a lapped car is between two flashing circuit lights. And the flashing circuit lights were visible in the video. Even if he could not be 100% sure that there was a second leading driver followed Alonso, NK was clearly still under blue light order by the circuit signals and his cockpit signal. I don't think there is any doubt about that. He did not claim to have had any doubt about that. He claimed to struggle with the surface conditions as defence for driving towards the inside, but that did not apply to the corner exit situation with Vettel but the entry situation with Alonso. An F1 driver must be able to drive close to the curbs and not hit them when he is under blue flag order.3) Are you 100% sure the blue lights are updated in real time and that a simple glance down would have told him to let Vettel through (even though he actually would have had three corners in which to do so?). I would be amazed if it were a 100% automated system that updates in real time. I don't think the transponders are accurate or reliable enough.
NK first had the duty to let the leaders pass and then he could focus on defending his position. If in doubt you have to err to the side of cautious when under blue flags.4) I can't believe you are criticising a driver for wanting to race the competitors around him!! That line of thought really smacks of thinking Vettel has some kind of entitlement to a totally clear track.
I don't at all agree with that interpretation. All your above assertions are not correct IMO. They are not at all obvious from the on board video. Quite contrary to what you say it is often the case that you are lapped not only by one leader but by several cars as indicated by the continuing blue light.5) Vettel came from incredibly far back, took an unusual line that involved running wider than the racing line, and ran far too close to a slower car. That's not the other car's fault. You can see from the onboard video how NK had no way of knowing that Vettel was going to come through like that .
I think that Herbert has a pretty strong track record as a steward and I cannot remember a case where I have criticised his decisions as a steward. The rest is off topic and unnecessary personal comment here.6) Since when have the stewards always got every last decision right. Indeed you've criticised them in the past when they've penalised Vettel. You were also the most outspoken person on this board during the Turkey incident blaming Webber 100%.
It is your right to have an opinion. I just think you are over emphasising a character debate.7) Cultural issue or not this is not the first time he's been disparaging about another driver, and the fist actions whilst trying to catch up the HRT when having only 3 wheels on the car betray a hot headed arrogance in instantly blaming the other driver when he could have taken the corner differently himself. We saw this with the Turkey incident and the 'crazy' signs directed at Webber and the insulting comments made after the race, and no doubt we'll see this true character again in the future.
Your judgement is as impolite or even more than Vettel's. And as an armchair expert you don't have any excuse of adrenaline, excitement or exhaustion.He's an arrogant and cocky arse at times, even if he can be fun and nice at others.
There was Hamilton, then there was a Marussia. Alonso was some 23 seconds ahead of Vettel at this phase of the race.WhiteBlue wrote:Watch the video. Vettel was right behind Alonso. NK made space for Alonso and got out of shape over a curb at the corner entry. He then went through the corner all right and was under good traction at the corner exit where Vettel made his pass.NathanOlder wrote:@ WhiteBlue
What was Alonso's role in all of this As far as im aware, Fernando was 20 seconds up the road ?
Vettel wasn't chasing down NK. He was driving back to the pits. Nowhere in the video he is out of control of the car.Giblet wrote:Should someone get a penalty, for trying to chase down a car on three wheels just to repeatedly give him the finger? Road rage pure and simple. Very dangerous.
It is fairly common in F1. Coulthard similarly gave Schumacher the finger in Magny Courts ones.After seeing this image, I have lost some respect. Alonso acted less harsh after losing the WDC behind Petrov. At least he gesticulated safely.
I call this nonsense. When has a driver last seen a penalty for giving the finger? I cannot remember a single time in the last two decades. And what would be the code violation to warrant the penalty? Rudeness?A suspended penalty would be appropriate IMO.
Wow... the finger and calling him an idiot. and WhiteBlue is passing it off as a culture thing? Well Schumacher is German too, has been accused of being arrogant in the past... I certainly didn't see him do the same to Grosjean..Giblet wrote:
Should someone get a penalty, for trying to chase down a car on three wheels just to repeatedly give him the finger?
Road rage pure and simple. Very dangerous.
After seeing this image, I have lost some respect. Alonso acted less harsh after losing the WDC behind Petrov. At least he gesticulated safely.
A suspended penalty would be appropriate IMO.
He shifted up, on three wheels, and the green lights of RPM came on, so he was revving UP to 14 or 15 thousand. He had one hand on the wheel, and it was wiggling back and forth.WhiteBlue wrote: Vettel wasn't chasing down NK. He was driving back to the pits. Nowhere in the video he is out of control of the car
I'm not passing it off. I did not agree with the idiot comment. I just do not think that the character verdict over Vettel as a bully is appropriate. He is a young man under much stress and that can explain the over reaction. I'm not saying that I'm happy with it!!!Maelstrom wrote:Wow... the finger and calling him an idiot. and WhiteBlue is passing it off as a culture thing?
So you have so much experience of driving an F1 car that you can make the judgement that this was unsafe? I think not.Giblet wrote:He shifted up, on three wheels, and the green lights of RPM came on, so he was revving UP to 14 or 15 thousand. He had one hand on the wheel, and it was wiggling back and forth.
Isn't that... Hamilton ? Or someone else whom has more at stake ? Vettel shouldn't feel under pressure. He just won 2 titles back to back. The car's not up to it this time. So what ? He should sit back and relax a bit, it was a complete brain fart how he handled the situation with NK...WhiteBlue wrote:He is a young man under much stress
