Malaysian GP 2012 - Sepang International Circuit

[DEVO]

It's a shame that NK got a penalty. Not sure why Vettel went off the way he did, it does nothing for his image. He is a double WDC, he should act like one.

[Jakkals]

Shame on Sauber for settling for the second. That radio message was smt I will never forget as bad as "Alonso faster than you". Even worse... Shame...

In my opinion you are insulting the integrity of Peter Sauber. Given Peter Sauber's history in motorsport it would be hard to imagine him ever making that kind of call. The fact that he was in tears at the end said much. And where Perez went off was not the kind of place you would want to try and lose time - much better to go too deep and miss your braking into a nice slow corner that had a big fat tarmac run-off, not one with gravel just yards beyond.
And Sauber really do need the points, everyone hung their heads last week when Maldonado threw away 6th place for Williams, how much worse would it have been for Perez to chuck away 2nd place. It wasn't like he was racing just anybody, he was racing the best driver in F1.

[raymondu999]

in Abu Dhabi last year when he was already a WDC, when he threw a punch in the steering wheel.

Oh come on. I don't agree with this example. If you had a realistic chance of victory - and had done the first part of the job (getting through Turn 1 in first place) and you lose it through no fault of your own; of course you'd be angry.

[Giblet]

He shifted up, on three wheels, and the green lights of RPM came on, so he was revving UP to 14 or 15 thousand. He had one hand on the wheel, and it was wiggling back and forth.

So you have so much experience of driving an F1 car that you can make the judgement that this was unsafe? I think not.

In addition that that, it likely helped shred the tire, and cause the extra brake duct damage to the car, making it a less than intelligent move, rooted in pure anger.

You don't have to be an F1 driver to know that driving an F1 car in damp conditions with one hand on a wheel to give someone a finger is dangerous, or at the very least.....wrong

A car with only three wheels, by definition, is dangerous to drive.

[Mahalollama]

How nice would it be to be able to filter out certain posters as one sees fit. It would make this forum MUCH more tolerable.
Just a thought....

[raymondu999]

A blog by Will Buxton: http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/20 ... cy-theory/

Worth a read IMO, and spot on on the marks.

[GrizzleBoy]

A blog by Will Buxton: http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/20 ... cy-theory/

Worth a read IMO, and spot on on the marks.

That's just his take on it

Honestly though, I think I would rather Perez not have had the ability to get so close to Alonso, just so that he could be 100% satisfied with his outstanding performance without all this drama surrounding him and overshadowing what will be remembered as one of Saubers greatest performances.

[Giblet]

Notice how nobody IN F1 is calling for these horrible inter team orders to be investigated?

As the article alluded, they are in the sport, and know better.

All the teams freaked out when Ferrari gave team orders so by logical extension you would think that if there was any shred of truth in these interteam orders, someone would have said something.

Someone in F1 would have said something. The only people lending this theory a voice are armchairs.

The fact there is no protest is all but proof it didn't happen.

[Ray]

Those saying that Perez was given an order and obeyed it are undermining his fantastic drive. Shame on you.

[raymondu999]

A blog by Will Buxton: http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/20 ... cy-theory/

Worth a read IMO, and spot on on the marks.

That's just his take on it

It is. I have understood a long while ago in my career, that the map is not the territory

It just so happens to be my take on it as well.

[Shrieker]

The fact there is no protest is all but proof it didn't happen.

Or proof that they'd like to reserve the right to do the same when it serves them. From the big teams, Ferrari aren't the only ones supplying smaller ones.

Those saying that Perez was given an order and obeyed it are undermining his fantastic drive. Shame on you.

Those who think that there is no chance whatsoever that an inter-team order took place are laying the foundations for possible future race fixing would be an appropriate reply to that.

[Giblet]

The fact there is no protest is all but proof it didn't happen.

Or proof that they'd like to reserve the right to do the same when it serves them. From the big teams, Ferrari aren't the only ones supplying smaller ones.

Those saying that Perez was given an order and obeyed it are undermining his fantastic drive. Shame on you.

Those who think that there is no chance whatsoever that an inter-team order took place are laying the foundations for possible future race fixing would be an appropriate reply to that.

When I say nobody in the sport, I mean nobody in the sport.

I mean Charlie Whiting, I mean retired drivers with a vendetta against Ferrari. There are too man people in the sport for someone to not want to capitalize on such an obvious sporting problem.

That would be cheating, and McLaren was fined $100,000,000 USD, and Flavio booted from the sport.

There is no way there would be a blind eye.

Now maybe Red Bull and STR have an understanding. But it would be a standing order, made off the record, that a STR will not impede a RB for a championship or win.

If, by some incredibly small chance, the same agreement was made with Sauber, it would also have been made with Force India when they were Ferrari powered. Vijay would know, and have no reason to hold back now that they are so thoroughly entrenched with Mercedes and McLaren via technical tie up.

Journalists don't seem to think it. It seems to be a forum phenomena. I don't the chance is large enough to even consider, and a big +1 with Ray's post.

[andartop]

Amen!

[Ray]

Those who think that there is no chance whatsoever that an inter-team order took place are laying the foundations for possible future race fixing would be an appropriate reply to that.

As with everything else in life, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Unless you have undeniable proof that show without a shadow of a doubt Perez was ordered by his team, through Ferrari as their engine supplier not to pass Alonso for the win, you're merely pointing fingers. There is absolutely zero evidence that is true. Perez was catching Alonso hand over fist and made a mistake that nearly left him in the gravel with zero points to show for it. He burned his fronts up catching Alonso and made a simple mistake. The radio call was to tell him "have a crack at him, but don't throw away 18 points." Nothing more, nothing less. Conspiracy theories are nothing more than witch hunts. Perez earned his podium and damn near got himself a win. Making wild accusations tarnishes that result and you and everyone else laying those ridiculous accusations on both him and Sauber are shameful. Instead of being happy for him and his accomplishment you choose to denigrate him. Not 3-4 pages ago you whined about Lewis getting treated unfairly. How does your foot taste Shrieker? (appropriate name by the way)

[FakeAlonso]

I'm not going to take sides on whose fault the accident was. Point is that it was an 'accident'. Sometimes these things happen. Vettel should really have thought twice about making such an aggressive move on a car thats so much slower, has had no testing and in wet conditions.

What really has me disappointed is that he's such a bad sportsman about it. Calling a fellow driver an idiot on television? Really? Jensen plowed into the back of Karthikeyan and he didn't call Button an idiot. Infact he apologised to both Vettel and Button. If Vettel still had a problem he could have reamed NK out in person or lodged a complaint.

Seems like Vettel may be a double World Champion but certainly isn't much of a human being.

Also it amuses me that his teammate has outqualified him in both races this year when his car isn't the best by a mile anymore. Seems like chinks are showing in his armor. Give a driver like Alonso an equally good car and Vettel wouldn't touch him. Hell he wouldn't touch Rosberg.

Mr. Vettel you call him an idiot but i'd like to see you in that HRT and prove you can do better. Shame on you!

Well said mate. Totally agree. He was behaving like a spoiled kid.