Ferrari F2012

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
Hail22 wrote:A business colleague of mine informed me that he has heard a Formula 1 car on the Maranello circuit and mentioned the entire boundary of the track was covered with black tarpolan to prevent people seeing in.

So an F1 car on the Maranello circuit, has to be the F10 correct? If so what the hell are they doing?

I will treat it with a grain of salt, however for him to email me at 2:35 AM (San Marino local time) he must think something sketchy is going on...
Are you saying he's heard it at 2:35am?? Or saying it happened this afternoon?
As in emailed me at 1:35 am sorry got my times wrong due to daylight savings error.

It was conveyed that it was done in the afternoon of the 29th.
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Hail22 wrote:
As in emailed me at 1:35 am sorry got my times wrong due to daylight savings error.

It was conveyed that it was done in the afternoon of the 29th.
Do you believe the guy? I mean they could've been using an old car, but to have the track blocked off from public view is interesting. Possible filming?

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They completed filming before Melbourne didn't they?

I believe all my emails with regards to Formula 1 and teams with a grain of salt (unless subsequent evidence is provided) hence why i posted it hopefully we have a spy in the region who lives close to inspect this rumour.

Also...if it really is the F10 there is only three possibilities:

1. Robert Kubica driving the F10 to gain confidence in his fitness which i highly doubt!

2. Testing new aero package, maybe a new rear wing? possibly an exhaust layout?

3. Testing the new V6 Turbo unit (I will email him back asking him what the note or sound of the engine was).
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lombers wrote:
xpensive wrote:Let's try this another way, when McLaren opted for that lower and more tasteful nose on the MP4-27, any of you tifosi who
thinks they didn't consider a pull-rod, that they were too ignorant, arrogant or plain stupid to do that?

Of course the most resourceful team in F1 considered that option, but even with the lower nose they went with the push-rod,
when Ferrari found the pull-rod advantageous even with the highest nose in the pit-lane?

One of them got it wrong, I wonder who?
I'm sorry but this is a poor comparison to make.

The nose designs are completely different between these two cars. As has been stated by Scarbs one of the main reasons he thinks Ferrari went with a pull rod was for a lower CofG with their high nose design.

The McLaren nose has a noticeably lower profile and therefore doesn't need to make substantial changes to achieve their lower CofG requirements. I'm no suspension expert, but it does appear that with a lower nose profile like the McLaren the angles required to achieve pull rod at the front might not be feasible for the same performance.

So you don't feel that McLaren being the smart people they are, would opt to lower the CoG even further with a pull rod layout if they thought it advantageous to handling and geometry? hmmmm...

Pull rod front suspension died a while back because once cars had raised noses the goemetry was simply better with a push rod. The last really successful Pull Rod was the McLaren MP4/5b. Its chassis was very low but also wider than current cars so packaging was easier. Th geometry was also favourable to excellent handling.
Thereafter the high nose cars took over with it the push rod suspension amde yet another comeback.
Since McLaren have been building successfull cars with both types of layout over the years, do you really believe they would not see an advantage?

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
Hail22 wrote:
As in emailed me at 1:35 am sorry got my times wrong due to daylight savings error.

It was conveyed that it was done in the afternoon of the 29th.
Do you believe the guy? I mean they could've been using an old car, but to have the track blocked off from public view is interesting. Possible filming?
I hear they were testing an F2012 push-rod "mule", in preparation for the full B-spec to have its debut in Spain.

Testing ban? What Montezuma wants, he usually gets.
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bhallg2k wrote:Then why on Earth did you ask this question yesterday?
hardingfv32 wrote:How are you able to isolate the performance problem to the exhaust layout? The exhaust layouts of the entire field are varied with no one cars performance standing out relative to last year performances.
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xpensive wrote:I hear they were testing an F2012 push-rod "mule", in preparation for the full B-spec to have its debut in Spain.

Testing ban? What Montezuma wants, he usually gets.
Oh my... I get more and more impression that this account has been hacked by autogyro.

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@Xpensive

Source, if any??

I hope it's not another speculation though. But if it's true and Ferrari is indeed secretly testing a B-spec of the car, then its gonna cause a huge round of controversy in the paddock.

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xpensive wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
Hail22 wrote:
As in emailed me at 1:35 am sorry got my times wrong due to daylight savings error.

It was conveyed that it was done in the afternoon of the 29th.
Do you believe the guy? I mean they could've been using an old car, but to have the track blocked off from public view is interesting. Possible filming?
I hear they were testing an F2012 push-rod "mule", in preparation for the full B-spec to have its debut in Spain.

Testing ban? What Montezuma wants, he usually gets.

ditto

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xpensive wrote: ...
I hear they were testing an F2012 push-rod "mule", in preparation for the full B-spec to have its debut in Spain.

Testing ban? What Montezuma wants, he usually gets.
ditto
Ferrari probably worked on the B-spec since the pre-season testing was concluded, which has given them some six weeks?
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the general feeling is straight away they knew F2012 was BS.

They've been limiting their losses since.

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I know it gets good play here, but do you people really believe Ferrari would have any chance of getting away testing a current car at Fiorano, other than the "filming day" allowed?
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There were reports earlier this year that Mika Salo had been drafted to drive the F10 fitted with components to be evaluated for the F2012. I have no idea if such an idea is legitimate, but the idea is out there nonetheless.

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Unless I'm mistaken - I think they're allowed to test either a car that is at least 2 years old - or they have to drive the car only in a raced-before spec. ie so if they want to test unraced parts it has to be on a car at least 2 years old; and the F10 fits the bill. I don't know how accurate it would be to test anything other than a front wing there though.
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Kiril Varbanov
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Well, that's interesting.
- Testing with Kubica - I doubt - Robert is in early stages of his rehab, totally not ready for F1 car (IMHO) - though I'd love to be wrong.
- Testing V6 turbo unit - I doubt that Ferrari are that much advanced in their development of such engine - too early.
- Testing F2012 | F10 - much more likely.

I'm curious to see the output of it.