COTA Austin - construction and infrastructure

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What do you think of the prospect of a USGP 2012 at Austin Texas

Good thinking. Place has good infra structure and nice climate in winter.
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Not good as it has no motor sport tradition in the US.
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I will wait to see how it will shape up.
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I don't care.
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Total votes: 269

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munudeges wrote:
strad wrote:I can understand that. I'm still stinging from the USF1 or whatever Windsors bad joke was called.
From where I sit this thread has a very similar feel to what USF1 had, and it will probably get deserted just as fast..........
Right after the final FIA inspection, I assume.

hairy_scotsman
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WhiteBlue wrote:Travis County Commissioner Sarah Eckhardt:
This looks like a very ambitious business proposal that is having trouble meeting its financial obligation. And so they are looking to the county to subsidize a portion of their startup costs.
This sounds like a familiar scheme to me. Trouble to meet it's financial obligation was the reason for breaking the company contract according to Hellmund's legal appeal.
...and then there's the mid-construction "topping-off" ceremony. I've heard of topping off with a tree. They've done that. Is a separate event like what's planned for the 12th typical?

Why is DeJoria speaking? I guess he's an investor in the deal.
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Pup
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I just noticed that the circuit has apparently rebuilt the dam on the existing retention pond and has created a new retention area out of the two smaller ponds to the south. Neither of those earthworks show up on google maps. Looks like there may be a new/enlarged retention area to the north as well.

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http://maps.google.com/maps?q=circuit%2 ... 20americas

hairy_scotsman
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Wow...I tune out for a day and all sorts of hell breaks loose:

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/insid ... -2012/?i=2

COTA/ State of Texas at odds over $18M payment to FOM? USGP under the ax?
Apr.10 (GMM) A respected F1 correspondent is expecting F1's 2012 calendar to shrink to eighteen races this year.
Livio Oricchio, who writes for Brazil's O Estado de S.Paulo, thinks the sport is now on the verge of cancelling next weekend's visit to Bahrain.
And he also thinks November's US grand prix, scheduled to take place at the brand new Circuit of the Americas in Austin, is in doubt.
So the championship that should have 20 races will most likely have only 18.
Livio Oricchio
"The construction has fallen way behind," said Oricchio, "and there are serious problems between the promoter and the Texas government.
"Each side is looking to the other on the obligation to pay the fee, estimated at $18 million, to FOM (Formula One Management).
"So the championship that should have 20 races will most likely have only 18," he concluded.




http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/ ... _tavo.html

COTA seeks private arbitration in Hellmund lawsuit:
In March, racing promoter Tavo Hellmund filed a lawsuit against investors Bobby Epstein and Red McCombs and other individuals and companies linked to Circuit of the Americas, the $300 million racetrack in southeastern Travis County scheduled to host a Formula One Grand Prix in November.
The courts are now deciding what — if any — portion of that dispute will be made public.
In addition to damages, Hellmund is seeking to examine the company’s books and records.
Previous story: F1 promoter sues other race investors
In late March, at the request of the defendants, certain court records were temporarily sealed pending a public hearing on that matter, which is scheduled for 2 p.m. May 8 at the state district court in Travis County.

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According to Eric Wetzel, a spokesman for Hellmund’s legal team, “Bobby Epstein wants this matter sent to arbitration, which is a closed-to-the-public, confidential resolution process. Mr. Hellmund wants this case tried to a Travis County jury. So far, we are winning that battle.”




COTA is considering off-site parking in Kyle, Texas (about 23 miles away):

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/blog/ ... rking.html
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Pup
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Bernie has already been paid.

So that's about how much of an insider Livio Orrichio is. :lol:

The Kyle/San Marcos area looks on the map like it's closer to the track than a lot of the Austin metro area itself. Should be a nice convenience for people trying to avoid the Austin hotel rates by staying outside the city. I think you've been recommending that yourself, HS.

The main article said they would also have lots in the center city and north Austin.

hairy_scotsman
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DeJoria added to investment team:

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/ ... ustin.html
“When I learned about the chance to bring F1 to Texas through a facility like Circuit of the Americas, I couldn’t wait to be involved,” said DeJoria, who fell in love with Formula One while attending a 1995 race in Monaco.
DeJoria said he was also drawn to the investment because it promotes all forms of racing, year-round family friendly entertainment and multi-purpose community uses.

County commissioners still have questions about road work:

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/ ... l_hav.html
“Like most new initiatives, we had a lot more questions than answers,” county Judge Sam Biscoe told the American-Statesman today.

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“It appears they don’t have the cash flow to prepare the site for the event,” Precinct 2 commissioner Sarah Eckhardt said. “I don’t think a private venture’s cash flow problems are a good policy decision to base this on.”

Biscoe would not say exactly how much race organizers are asking for, but said they are “requesting as much funding as they can get.”

Biscoe likened the construction of the circuit to a large development. Developers typically pay for at least part of the development of roads around their site, he said.
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In late March, at the request of the defendants, certain court records were temporarily sealed pending a public hearing on that matter, which is scheduled for 2 p.m. May 8 at the state district court in Travis County.... According to Eric Wetzel, a spokesman for Hellmund’s legal team, “Bobby Epstein wants this matter sent to arbitration, which is a closed-to-the-public, confidential resolution process. Mr. Hellmund wants this case tried to a Travis County jury. So far, we are winning that battle.”
It is not going to take as much time as some people here suggested. Also interesting that Epstein lost the first round by not being able to escape public scrutiny by taking it to arbitration.

The first trial will only deliver the ammunition to Hellmund. Once he has all the figures in hand he will sue the pants off Epstein who is already in severe cash flow problems. The case promises some off track entertainment for the season.
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My by now worldwide renowned humility stops me short of commenting this slapstick any further.

The only thing interesting me at the moment is who's money has been spent on this dirt-track?
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"

hairy_scotsman
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Here is KVUE-TV video of an animated meeting last night between Circuit of the Americas officials & Elroy residents. COTA officials struggled to provide answers to transportation concerns. Preliminary plan on the way near the end of April?

http://www.kvue.com/news/Elroy-resident ... 25415.html
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Giblet
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This is like Donnington now. Except that was worse.
Before I do anything I ask myself “Would an idiot do that?” And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing. - Dwight Schrute

munudeges
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There's really nothing more that anyone can say about this.

Richard
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Donnington and USF1 never had anyone with money, they were dependent on future debentures or future sponsorship.

This track seems to have wealthy backers with enough cash to get to the finish line. The trouble is that they keep falling out with each other, either brinkmanship or stupidity (or both).

It looks like DeJoria is the latest to try his luck at coming out of the ruck holding the ball. He also has strong personal connections to motorsport, so he might see this as a personal mission rather than a get rick quick scheme.

Despite all that, if the bills get paid by someone then the construction will continue. IMHO they have enough time to get the construction completed for this year's race.

Hairy - any updates on activities at the track?

Giblet
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I think they have the time to get it done. If it was a concentrated effort.

There are too many strong opinions, and few moderate ones. The strong ones seem to be from other countries, the moderate ones seem to be partial observers.

I have done a lot of big construction with crazy deadlines (Vancouver 2010) so I have faith the workers are capable.

But nobody works for free, and money seems to be the problem.
Before I do anything I ask myself “Would an idiot do that?” And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing. - Dwight Schrute

Richard
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I'd nuance that to say that releasing the money seems to be the problem. The participants seem to have enough wealth.

Pup
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There's no indication that money is a problem. If someone are looking to claim they do, then every negotiation CotA can will be described as one. The roadwork is a negotiation.

This Ekhart woman has been against the project from the beginning, so she's one of the ones who are looking for stones to throw. To claim that the track is having cash flow problems, when they've offered to pay the cost of the roadwork up front? That just shows that she doesn't have a clue about how the track is even being financed at this point. If she knew what she was talking about, she might try to claim they were under capitalized - at least that would make sense given that they are under construction. But even that doesn't hold up if they're offering to pay the cost up front. But cash flow? She's nuts.

A guy like DeJoria, who's built not one, but two incredibly successful businesses from scratch, doesn't go into something like this on a whim. He's seen the books, he's seen the market analyses, he's done his homework. If he's willing to put his wallet on the line, it speaks volumes. And shouldn't facts like that carry more weight than the endless random rumors we have posted here day after day. Quality over quantity, gentlemen.