Bahrain GP 2012 - Sakhir

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Gerhard Berger wrote:speed trap times - Red Bulls are down about 6kph on the Merecedes' and Button, while Hamilton and the Louts's are oer 10kph faster.
Are these qualifying speeds?

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Maelstrom wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:I don't think O-O-P-P will hold out. Unless they're using O-O-O-P-P maybe.
I was asking about this bit actually. :)
What I'm saying is that if SiLo's predictions of the McLarens using the option actively as a race tyre (ie for stints other than the first) that's what they'll fall to.
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Gerhard Berger wrote:speed trap times - Red Bulls are down about 6kph on the Merecedes' and Button, while Hamilton and the Louts's are oer 10kph faster.
Are these qualifying speeds?
Depends on how they geared it up though. Maybe the McLs geared it for DRS terminal velocity and the Red Bull geared it for DRS-closed terminal velocity. Or it could be the reverse and Red Bull are majorly f*cked :lol:
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raymondu999 wrote:I think OOPP here is more optimistic than OPP last race. It will only work, MAYBE work - if you're in the lead and in clean air the whole time.
Raikkonen says that they could have qualified for Q3 but opted to save tyres for the race. This sort of indicates that we might see some 4 stoppers tomorrow. But I could be wrong. We'll see.

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raymondu999 wrote:I think OOPP here is more optimistic than OPP last race. It will only work, MAYBE work - if you're in the lead and in clean air the whole time.
The last three races (save China) none of the leaders have stayed in front except as stated China - Rosberg.

Turn one here is quite messy as it has proven since 2004, its going to be interesting the heat, constant wind direction changes will make for an interesting race.
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How have Webbers starts been this year?

I'm just wondering how things would go down on the McLaren pit wall if Webber has one of his classic starts and Button ends up attacking Hamilton coming out of turn one.

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WhiteBlue wrote:The odds are still changing.

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Vettel has fallen to P4 in qualifying and in the race. Hamilton on pole and top step in the odds. One could make a bit of money if Adrian manages to fix the exhaust issue for the race. :wink:
I should have taken my own advise. :lol:

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Vettel now favourite to win.
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Seems to me if he makes a good start he can certainly win.

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Hail22 wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:I think OOPP here is more optimistic than OPP last race. It will only work, MAYBE work - if you're in the lead and in clean air the whole time.
The last three races (save China) none of the leaders have stayed in front except as stated China - Rosberg.
To be fair - Hamilton did the start ok in Malaysia - it was the weather that caught him out to a sense. Head it been dry he could have had a Rosberg-China-esque race.
Turn one here is quite messy as it has proven since 2004, its going to be interesting the heat, constant wind direction changes will make for an interesting race.
Yes - very much so. I hate Turn 1/2 sequences which switch back in terms of changing direction. I've never been a fan of the standing start format. But yeah. I remember Alonso went around the outside of Massa at T1 in 2010; which gave him track position for T2 - which set him up for the victory really.
GrizzleBoy wrote:How have Webbers starts been this year?
Quite good the last two races actually IIRC. He's only really lost out in the run to T1 in Melbourne. IIRC he lost the spots last race during the T1 corner; not during his start phase. He didn't GAIN any - but he didn't lose out either.

The start will be interesting. The McLarens generally have been better off the line than the Red Bulls; but off line is somewhat dusty here.
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Bwin.com

Sebastian Vettel (GER/Red Bull) 2.50
Lewis Hamilton (GBR/McLaren) 3.25
Jenson Button (GBR/McLaren) 5.50
Mark Webber (AUS/Red Bull) 9.00
Nico Rosberg (GER/Mercedes) 11.00
Fernando Alonso (ESP/Ferrari) 34.00

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Maelstrom wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:I think OOPP here is more optimistic than OPP last race. It will only work, MAYBE work - if you're in the lead and in clean air the whole time.
Raikkonen says that they could have qualified for Q3 but opted to save tyres for the race. This sort of indicates that we might see some 4 stoppers tomorrow. But I could be wrong. We'll see.
Maybe he wants to have a sh*t (POOP) :lol:

Ok, dry joke. Move along. Nothing to see here.
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Alonso did his Q1 run on soft tyres right? If yes he should have another set of mediums left for the race. He may start the race on the softs and then have 3 sets of fresh mediums tyres for the race. Basically O-P-P-P strategy.

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banibhusan wrote:Alonso did his Q1 run on soft tyres right? If yes he should have another set of mediums left for the race. He may start the race on the softs and then have 3 sets of fresh mediums tyres for the race. Basically O-P-P-P strategy.
3 sets actually. They enter qualifying with 3 sets of prime and 3 sets of options, all new.

Hard to say. They could go P-P-P-O so that they can run their pace the whole time by being off-cycle with the pitstops, and gravitate to where their natural spot is, or they can go O-P-P-P and stick to the "conventional" strategy to try and defend their way to good points
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Betting numbers say Kimi's a real dark horse.
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Well done Seb,perfect drive !
All the hopes for a win tomorrow !
A good start & a good tyre management will be the key for the 25 points :D
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In that case since he didn't run prime tyres at all in Qualy, he should have an extra set.

The point is overtaking won't be too easy and that too overtaking Alonso, pheww. So they may start with options first just to make sure they have a good start and gain as many places as possible. Run a short first stint and then go on to the prime tyres.

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Hopefully Hamilton overtakes him into turn 1. :P