Sebastian Vettel has led the Bahrain GP from start to finish to win his first GP of the season. Kimi Räikkönen brough his Lotus car home in second place after a few unfortunate races. His teammate Grosjean finished third to complete a great result for Lotus.
kenny5 wrote:
If Rosberg doent get a penalty, then Hamilton must get one - just as in Belgium 2008/9 when he was found to have gained advantage by running off track and overtaking through the next sequence of corners!!
Well we only have one view (TV) after the apex onwards while there are many considerations to be considered by the Stewards ie; info we don't know about - note that Nico clearly said on the radio that Kimi pushed him off the track so it looks like tit for tat.
Good drive by Kimi and Finger Boy, strange race, this "tyre racing" crap has got to stop though.
"Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted."
I thought it was not allowed to push a driver beyond the white lines...
i think commentators in f1 must be completely blind.
Brundle was the only one to be remotely objective, on both Rosbergs moves.
Rosberg did absolutely nothing wrong at all.
commentators going 'oh he pushed him off the road!'
Lets define that shall we? If a car is physically pushing another car off the road, that would mean that both cars were side by side, that there was contact, and the defending car literally barged into the car trying to overtake. That is what the sentence means 'pushed him off the road'.
in both cases, rosberg quickly moved all the way to the right of the track - which he is perfectly entitled to do. in both cases, certainly with alonso, alonso has the CHOICE. HE HAS THE CHOICE to Either keep his foot planted, and continue to try to go down the inside. He has a steering wheel and 2 pedals to then carry out that choice.
Alonso made the concious decision to continue going down the inside, thinking rosberg wouldnt cover all of the track, because a lot of drivers dont cover the inside properly. Rosberg did cover the track, and alonso had to back out of it. Simple as that.
it wasn't even remotely controversial. rosberg did 1 move, and left enough space on the other side. what is everyones problem?
With hamilton, hamilton literally drove clean off the track to go round rosberg.....surely that is a penalty? If there was a wall next to that white line he wouldnt have been able to do that. Its unbelievable.
The tyres are completely ruining the racing as well - the fact that following a car for a few laps makes you use your tyres more which then doesnt give you a chance.
we'll never see an alonso v schumi 06 Imola scenario ever again.
bring back refuelling. bring back low wearing tyres. let the drivers drive flat out for the race.
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"Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted."
I thought it was not allowed to push a driver beyond the white lines...
Another interesting race, though it was a bit anticlimatic at the front. Vettel did a good job, i thought Lotus didn't manage their race very well. Kimi could have won this race otherwise. For once i'm actually happy to see Vettel win - it makes the championship closer and is good from a Ferrari perspective.
fiohaa wrote:i think commentators in f1 must be completely blind.
Brundle was the only one to be remotely objective, on both Rosbergs moves.
Rosberg did absolutely nothing wrong at all.
commentators going 'oh he pushed him off the road!'
Lets define that shall we? If a car is physically pushing another car off the road, that would mean that both cars were side by side, that there was contact, and the defending car literally barged into the car trying to overtake. That is what the sentence means 'pushed him off the road'.
in both cases, rosberg quickly moved all the way to the right of the track - which he is perfectly entitled to do. in both cases, certainly with alonso, alonso has the CHOICE. HE HAS THE CHOICE to Either keep his foot planted, and continue to try to go down the inside. He has a steering wheel and 2 pedals to then carry out that choice.
Alonso made the concious decision to continue going down the inside, thinking rosberg wouldnt cover all of the track, because a lot of drivers dont cover the inside properly. Rosberg did cover the track, and alonso had to back out of it. Simple as that.
it wasn't even remotely controversial. rosberg did 1 move, and left enough space on the other side. what is everyones problem?
With hamilton, hamilton literally drove clean off the track to go round rosberg.....surely that is a penalty? If there was a wall next to that white line he wouldnt have been able to do that. Its unbelievable.
The tyres are completely ruining the racing as well - the fact that following a car for a few laps makes you use your tyres more which then doesnt give you a chance.
we'll never see an alonso v schumi 06 Imola scenario ever again.
bring back refuelling. bring back low wearing tyres. let the drivers drive flat out for the race.
Score: -1 Factually Incorrect.
You define "pushing" someone off the road incorrectly. The rules already define it – they specify crowding people off the road, not physical pushing.
fiohaa wrote:i think commentators in f1 must be completely blind.
Brundle was the only one to be remotely objective, on both Rosbergs moves.
Rosberg did absolutely nothing wrong at all.
commentators going 'oh he pushed him off the road!'
Lets define that shall we? If a car is physically pushing another car off the road, that would mean that both cars were side by side, that there was contact, and the defending car literally barged into the car trying to overtake. That is what the sentence means 'pushed him off the road'.
in both cases, rosberg quickly moved all the way to the right of the track - which he is perfectly entitled to do. in both cases, certainly with alonso, alonso has the CHOICE. HE HAS THE CHOICE to Either keep his foot planted, and continue to try to go down the inside. He has a steering wheel and 2 pedals to then carry out that choice.
Alonso made the concious decision to continue going down the inside, thinking rosberg wouldnt cover all of the track, because a lot of drivers dont cover the inside properly. Rosberg did cover the track, and alonso had to back out of it. Simple as that.
it wasn't even remotely controversial. rosberg did 1 move, and left enough space on the other side. what is everyones problem?
With hamilton, hamilton literally drove clean off the track to go round rosberg.....surely that is a penalty? If there was a wall next to that white line he wouldnt have been able to do that. Its unbelievable.
The tyres are completely ruining the racing as well - the fact that following a car for a few laps makes you use your tyres more which then doesnt give you a chance.
we'll never see an alonso v schumi 06 Imola scenario ever again.
bring back refuelling. bring back low wearing tyres. let the drivers drive flat out for the race.
get real.
I think you need to take a look at the rule book, you cant just swipe across like a mad man as soon as the driver behind goes to the inside.
fiohaa wrote:i think commentators in f1 must be completely blind.
Brundle was the only one to be remotely objective, on both Rosbergs moves.
Rosberg did absolutely nothing wrong at all.
commentators going 'oh he pushed him off the road!'
Lets define that shall we? If a car is physically pushing another car off the road, that would mean that both cars were side by side, that there was contact, and the defending car literally barged into the car trying to overtake. That is what the sentence means 'pushed him off the road'.
in both cases, rosberg quickly moved all the way to the right of the track - which he is perfectly entitled to do. in both cases, certainly with alonso, alonso has the CHOICE. HE HAS THE CHOICE to Either keep his foot planted, and continue to try to go down the inside. He has a steering wheel and 2 pedals to then carry out that choice.
Alonso made the concious decision to continue going down the inside, thinking rosberg wouldnt cover all of the track, because a lot of drivers dont cover the inside properly. Rosberg did cover the track, and alonso had to back out of it. Simple as that.
it wasn't even remotely controversial. rosberg did 1 move, and left enough space on the other side. what is everyones problem?
With hamilton, hamilton literally drove clean off the track to go round rosberg.....surely that is a penalty? If there was a wall next to that white line he wouldnt have been able to do that. Its unbelievable.
The tyres are completely ruining the racing as well - the fact that following a car for a few laps makes you use your tyres more which then doesnt give you a chance.
we'll never see an alonso v schumi 06 Imola scenario ever again.
bring back refuelling. bring back low wearing tyres. let the drivers drive flat out for the race.
you are not correct since a driver is allowed to make the difensive move only if his opponent is still BEHIND him: both hamilton and alonso were already at his side and not behind him. morevover rosberg made the same move twice with two different drivers. surely the move was unsafe.
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Vettel is leading the championship but the top 7 are covered by a mere 19 points. 2010 was similar this stage, but back then we knew who the fastest car was. Now it seems to depend on the track and temperature. Impossible to really say there is clear favourite at this stage.
Was nice to see the lotus's finally show there pace, iv been saying since aus they had a very very good package.
webber and button both had very poor races.
rosberg deserves a penalty.
hamilton got screwed as usual, it comes to something when your surprised if he has 2/3 clean pit stops.
the mclaren had poor pace all race, particularly at the start, and thats been the case for a long time now.
ell66 wrote:Was nice to see the lotus's finally show there pace, iv been saying since aus they had a very very good package.
webber and button both had very poor races.
rosberg deserves a penalty.
hamilton got screwed as usual, it comes to something when your surprised if he has 2/3 clean pit stops.
the mclaren had poor pace all race, particularly at the start, and thats been the case for a long time now.
Lotus have come back very strongly. But then Kimi did say that they were due for a good race.
It just occurs to me that they have done this despite their suspension being banned in testing. If it hadn't been then they might have been stronger still.
