Bahrain GP 2012 - Sakhir

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Drivers are allowed to defend their position using any part of the track.
What they are not allowed to do is make 2 moves, and in no way shape or from did Rosberg move twice.

He telegraphed the fact he was going to the outside. It is then up to the following driver to use the track to over take.

If he gets penalised, then it sets a dangerous precedent for leading cars not being allowed to defend in an way.
Squeezing cars out onto the kerbs will also be banned in such a motion, and this can never be allowed should F1 want to be seen as a series that allows overtaking.

[beelsebob]

so whats your opinion now after looking at that image of alonso and rosberg?

because it looks to me as if rosberg is still fully infront, when alonso decides to go off track. Alonsos car is physically fully behind rosbergs car.

My opinion is that Alonso's front wheels are parallel with Rosberg's rear wheels.

[GrizzleBoy]

Tell me what lap the Ros-Ham issue occured and I'll get some footage from my sky+ box.

[myurr]

pretty amazing really how people watching the same images can come up with such wildly different opinions.

It's because different people support different drivers and invent different rules to support their views.

The move with Alonso was probably just about within the letter of the law. The move with Hamilton, which wasn't replayed properly so no one has seen good footage, looked a lot more marginal.

[fiohaa]

so whats your opinion now after looking at that image of alonso and rosberg?

because it looks to me as if rosberg is still fully infront, when alonso decides to go off track. Alonsos car is physically fully behind rosbergs car.

My opinion is that Alonso's front wheels are parallel with Rosberg's rear wheels.

lol im speechless. ill post up images later from alonsos onboard after the highlights are shown.

[Downforce]

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[fiohaa]

pretty amazing really how people watching the same images can come up with such wildly different opinions.

It's because different people support different drivers and invent different rules to support their views.

The move with Alonso was probably just about within the letter of the law. The move with Hamilton, which wasn't replayed properly so no one has seen good footage, looked a lot more marginal.

fully agree.

[myurr]

Tell me what lap the Ros-Ham issue occured and I'll get some footage from my sky+ box.

Think it was just after the first stops so around laps 9 - 11ish.

[beelsebob]

pretty amazing really how people watching the same images can come up with such wildly different opinions.

It's because different people support different drivers and invent different rules to support their views.

The move with Alonso was probably just about within the letter of the law. The move with Hamilton, which wasn't replayed properly so no one has seen good footage, looked a lot more marginal.

No, I'm pretty confident that the root of this is not "inventing different rules" – no one I've seen in this thread has invented rules, they've quoted them from the rule book.

What I'd say the root of this is that two people look at those images, one says alonso is along side, the other says rosberg is fully ahead. That's where this all hinges, and that's what the stewards will try to figure out.

[F1PuertoRico]

It seems in the picture that alo is by the ros sidepod.... Not fully behind...

[myurr]

Squeezing cars out onto the kerbs will also be banned in such a motion, and this can never be allowed should F1 want to be seen as a series that allows overtaking.

Technically that was supposed to be banned this year.

Squeezing is one thing. Sweeping across the track in quite a violent move is another. My recollection of the Hamilton move was that Rosberg pulled over very violently when Hamilton was either alongside or was a fraction of a second from doing so. He wouldn't have been able to complete the move otherwise.

The one with Alonso looked naughty after the Hamilton move but ultimately was probably within the letter of the law.

[kenny5]

Vettel is leading the championship but the top 7 are covered by a mere 19 points. 2010 was similar this stage, but back then we knew who the fastest car was. Now it seems to depend on the track and temperature. Impossible to really say there is clear favourite at this stage.

I agree. It shapes up into a fine championship with many contenders.

This result points to a tight if not interesting championship.
--With 4 hereto midfielders filling the top 4 places -- at dry race!!

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

It seems in the picture that alo is by the ros sidepod.... Not fully behind...

The video shows Rosberg was fully ahead.

@ Myurr

There is a precedant. Rosberg had done this the lap before, so the driver behind has to make concessions for such a move.

Either way, he is fully ahead and can move in one direction to cover his position.
He did not swerve into Alonso or Hamilton, he was fully ahead. Had they been wheel to wheel that is different, but Rosberg was always ahead.

The responsibility then falls on the following driver IMO

[myurr]

Squeezing cars out onto the kerbs will also be banned in such a motion, and this can never be allowed should F1 want to be seen as a series that allows overtaking.

Technically that was supposed to be banned this year.

Squeezing is one thing. Sweeping across the track in quite a violent move is another. My recollection of the Hamilton move was that Rosberg pulled over very violently when Hamilton was either alongside or was a fraction of a second from doing so. He wouldn't have been able to complete the move otherwise.

The one with Alonso looked naughty after the Hamilton move but ultimately was probably within the letter of the law.

Having said that this image looks like Alonso was really close to pulling alongside as he was incredibly close at the start of the move and had more momentum due to Rosbergs compromised line through turn 2:

[Guisson]

Amazing Race,Stunning Race by both Lotus !
Vettel a "vettelian" win i'd say,start of the front,controls the race and controlled an enraged Kimi for a moment !:D
Kimi yep he is back,starting 11th Finishing 2nd the win wasn't that far !
Grosjean Did a great job also ! Overtaking both Webber and Hamilton is not affordable for anyone

Webber : looked a bit too slow today..
Hamilton: I'd Say, Hamilton didn't lost,Mclaren made him lost.
Button: Was struggling with his tyres maybe..And the exhaust problem at the end of the race.
Alonso: ...Did his best but..
Massa: ..THEY NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR THIS F2012 !
MSC:Good Race overall clearly the Merc's were suffering tyre wear..a lot
Nicoangerous drive? pushing both Alonso and Hamilton out of the track..

Conclusion before the European Season :
4 different winners in 4 races , Wow this didn't happen since 2003..
This year s gonna be an interesting one ! i'd say at least 4 teams can challenge for a win ( 5 if Ferrari manages to be back in the front )

7.5/10