Bahrain GP 2012 - Sakhir

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Yeah - he'd just have left Rosberg that car's width and forced Rosberg onto a compromised entry and exit for 4. Was it turn 4 that was coming up? It was, wasn't it?

Anyways - here's a good shot of the video rather than the blurry footage we have now.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2fbfTnyQ1Q[/youtube]
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For me it's quite clear.

Alonso had the choice of taking the racing line. Nico left him ample room for it.
As the rule states a driver can defend his position using a single manoeuvre.

Nico did just that.

Alonso chose to follow nico into a disappearing gap. That falls on his shoulders as nico is ahead and can choose his own route out the corner onto the straight using the aforementioned rule.
More could have been done.
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kenny5 wrote:
banibhusan wrote:Alonso on twitter:

"I think you are going to have fun in future races! You can defend position as you want and you can overtake outside the track! Enjoy! ;)))"
Is this the same alonso that overtook his teamamte early last season, in the pit lane entrance, with all 4 wheels off the track..

what goes around, comes around.
Doesn't look like that from this video.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaoNMFfFFhs[/youtube]

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McMrocks wrote:schumi at the moment on german TV is talking about the tyres.
He said they drive with 70-80% through the corners. He asks if the tyres should have such a majority in the races
Point noted from the BBC highlights. Schumacher feels that Pirelli need to re-look at the tyre strategy as drivers can only drive to a maximum speed dictated by the tyres. If the majority of drivers feel this way, then maybe he has a point.

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:For me it's quite clear.

Alonso had the choice of taking the racing line. Nico left him ample room for it.
As the rule states a driver can defend his position using a single manoeuvre.

Nico did just that.

Alonso chose to follow nico into a disappearing gap. That falls on his shoulders as nico is ahead and can choose his own route out the corner onto the straight using the aforementioned rule.
I think rosberg's moves were sudden and erratic, and liable to cause an accident. Those moves aren't normal defending.
That's just from watching the video.
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ringo wrote:I think rosberg's moves were sudden and erratic, and liable to cause an accident. Those moves aren't normal defending.
That's just from watching the video.
Quite the opposite. In fact, the stewards decided there was nothing to penalize Rosberg for exactly because his moves were made "in a constant and continuous straight line manner".

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99102
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andartop wrote:
ringo wrote:I think rosberg's moves were sudden and erratic, and liable to cause an accident. Those moves aren't normal defending.
That's just from watching the video.
Quite the opposite. In fact, the stewards decided there was nothing to penalize Rosberg for exactly because his moves were made "in a constant and continuous straight line manner".

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99102
and where can we use latest rule that when you change you driving line you have to stick with it and not come back in racing line?

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cheapracer wrote:
beelsebob wrote:what I saw ..
Exactly, an opinion only.

I see now no penalty for Rosberg on Hamilton or Alonso, so I guess your opinion doesn't stack up to the FIA Steward's ....

Gerhard Berger, there was no wall therefore I would put Alonso's comment squarely into drama queen territory.
well, I more than expected this. It is the usual F1 politics. Remember, Merc still have not agreed to sign the new Concord agreement......

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radosav wrote:
andartop wrote:
ringo wrote:I think rosberg's moves were sudden and erratic, and liable to cause an accident. Those moves aren't normal defending.
That's just from watching the video.
Quite the opposite. In fact, the stewards decided there was nothing to penalize Rosberg for exactly because his moves were made "in a constant and continuous straight line manner".

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99102
and where can we use latest rule that when you change you driving line you have to stick with it and not come back in racing line?
As long as he leaves a car width of space, he can come back to racing line.

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Quite the opposite. In fact, the stewards decided there was nothing to penalize Rosberg for exactly because his moves were made "in a constant and continuous straight line manner".

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99102[/quote]

and where can we use latest rule that when you change you driving line you have to stick with it and not come back in racing line?[/quote]

As long as he leaves a car width of space, he can come back to racing line.[/quote]



i dont think that latest rules say that. so an a tilke track you can do what you want, like rosberg today, cause track is wide and you allways leave car width of space?

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well someone think rosberg move was legal some others think not...who knows? One thing is ABSOLUTELY SURE though: the stewards are wrong. infact if rosberg move was legal then hamilton should have been penalized since he overtook rosberg off the track

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motobaleno wrote:well someone think rosberg move was legal some others think not...who knows? One thing is ABSOLUTELY SURE though: the stewards are wrong. infact if rosberg move was legal then hamilton should have been penalized since he overtook rosberg off the track
yep, give HAM a penalty for that.
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The latest rule applies while returning to the racing line to enter the next corner, after you've made your defensive move, where you must leave at least a car's width to the outside. This does not apply here as in the first incident Hamilton did overtake Rosberg by driving off track, so was already ahead of him when Rosberg was returning to the racing line, and in the second incident Rosberg did leave enough room for Alonso on the outside before entering the next corner.

Still looking for an answer as to why Hamilton was not penalized for going off track to overtake Rosberg. I'm not saying I want Hamilton to get a penalty, but if Rosberg didn't push Hamilton out of the track, which is what the stewards are saying, then Hamilton chose to go off track to overtake!
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andartop wrote:The latest rule applies while returning to the racing line to enter the next corner, after you've made your defensive move, where you must leave at least a car's width to the outside. This does not apply here as in the first incident Hamilton did overtake Rosberg by driving off track, so was already ahead of him when Rosberg was returning to the racing line, and in the second incident Rosberg did leave enough room for Alonso on the outside before entering the next corner.

Still looking for an answer as to why Hamilton was not penalized for going off track to overtake Rosberg. I'm not saying I want Hamilton to get a penalty, but if Rosberg didn't push Hamilton out of the track, which is what the stewards are saying, then Hamilton chose to go off track to overtake!
The last line of the Steward's statement re: Hamilton is more instructive:

6. Had a significant portion of Car 4 been alongside that of Car 8 whilst Car 4 still remained within the confines of the track, then the actions of Car 8 may not have been considered legitimate.

No lack of 'consistency' from Steward's re: Hamilton-Rosberg and Alonso-Rosberg decisions as both summaries and conclusions are identical. #howtheirony

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