Bahrain GP 2012 - Sakhir

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raymondu999 wrote:I never saw that as inarticulate.


... but anyway and to give some balance, he is a great F1 driver (in the car) and certainly deserves the "Driver of Bahrain GP" award.

Maelstrom wrote: Also he's known as the Iceman
Please research your comment as to how and who gave him that tag. I'm quite confident you are not aware of how it came to be, I am.

Enough off topic.

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cheapracer wrote:Please research your comment as to how and who gave him that tag. I'm quite confident you are not aware of how it came to be, I am.
Pre-F1 IIRC. His first F1 helmet had "Iceman" written on it from the word go.
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evered7 wrote:
kenny5 wrote:
banibhusan wrote:Alonso on twitter:

"I think you are going to have fun in future races! You can defend position as you want and you can overtake outside the track! Enjoy! ;)))"
Is this the same alonso that overtook his teamamte early last season, in the pit lane entrance, with all 4 wheels off the track..

what goes around, comes around.
Doesn't look like that from this video.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaoNMFfFFhs[/youtube]

He most definately was 100% offtrack for the overtake.

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raymondu999 wrote:I never saw that as inarticulate. He's an out and out racer - and he just doesn't like the media. He feels it's unnecessary, that's all.

As a small anecdote - I chased him down in the paddock once - and as I called him out, he looked at my direction with his Oakley shades, smiled, waved, and jogged away. He kept periodically looking back to see if I was still pursuing him, which I was, but the smile was always there. He finally stopped, smiled, put his hands on his hips and looked at me. I caught up. All I wanted was a photograph together and an autograph.

As I was brandishing my autograph book and a pen - he said cheekily, "I just wanted to see if you were willing to chase me to get the photo."

He's a great guy Kimi. His nonchalance I feel should not be misconstrued as inarticulateness - he just can't be bothered to talk to the media.
i remember twhen he knocked over that little kid who wanted an autograph and then he just walked on by cool as a cucumber !

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GrizzleBoy wrote:I think it's important to properly analyze the statement made by the stewards.

I'll substitute "car 4" and "car 8" with "Hamilton" and "Rosberg".
6. Had a significant portion of Hamiltons car been alongside that of Rosbergs car whilst Hamiltons car still remained within the confines of the track, then the actions of Rosberg may not have been considered legitimate.
...and that Hamilton was already being punished enough by having McLaren for his pit crew that day (lol).
Like it! :lol:

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raymondu999 wrote:Speaking of the circuit - why do you folks think the Renault engine was so mighty here? I thought of engine cooling requirements but then decided that can't be it - as we didn't really have engine issues. All I can think of is maybe a torque curve that's very drivable under traction and so reduced wheelspin out of the traction zones.
It can be the traction advantage, but it can also be that there's no real reason.
2 cars where fast today, and they happen to have the same engine.
I opt for the latter option.

Di Resta only made 2 stops and finished high up, and he has a mercedes engine. Ferrari got around their tyre problem reasonably well imo, so the Ferrari engine isn't that bad either...
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AnthonyG wrote:It can be the traction advantage, but it can also be that there's no real reason.2 cars where fast today, and they happen to have the same engine.I opt for the latter option.
+1

I don't know how you feel guys, but I don't consider this race as "normal" race. I think we're yet to see a full dry "normal" race this year. If you look at the first lap video, there was huge amount of dust on track, and track temeprature was 10c less than during qualy. So that must caught some of the strategists as a surprise, and I'm sure they didn't have a clue what would be the grip levels on long runs. So again, the conditions played out for RBR and Lotus, that's all. Seems to me that the new Pirellis are behaving way more different than last year, and teams can't rely on last years data as if it was no change in tyre construction.
All in all, this is not a bad thing...it's now at least 4 teams in a chase, and even Ferrari could catch up. So as a conclusion, I don't think that either RBR or Lotus could carry on now as the two fastest teams. It'll be a totally different story again in next race - and maybe over the whole season.

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snoop1050 wrote:
i remember twhen he knocked over that little kid who wanted an autograph and then he just walked on by cool as a cucumber !
careful how you use "cucumber" nowadays...! That name is reserved for a certain driver :wink: .

Anyway my Hero of the day was Iceman Kimi.

My Zero is Rosberg -

Don't know how any objective person watching the replays can say his not guilty. And I don't care what the stewards say - cause they got it sooo wrong with Vettel and Kathekayen too!

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Great race, and one that shows again that some of the teams lower down, even from Mercedes and Lotus down to Toro Rosso are narrowing tgheir performance window just to specialise on a specific heat band on the Pirellis. One race in 3 may have their car switched on in the specific window that they require to push hard and challance for the win. This i think will be much more of a challance for the the top 3 teams this year. However Ferrari have won, i doubt they will win again this season, even if they do a massive B-Spec upgrade in the middle of the season.

However it has shown again that many cars lower down the grid can save new rubber for a charge thru the pack.

However one thing has hit me is relyability rates are massivly high. only a 3.54% of a retirement during any race. I recon there will be a couple more races this year with 24 finishers and a total relyability rate.

I would like to address one other point. The cars stopping at the end of the race due to fuel issues. Id like to see a rule where the cars have to have enough fuel for the slow down lap and the 1Kg of fuel they need to be able to sample at the end of the race. However where they can, the cars can drive down the wrong way in the pits with no slow down lap, Spa, Monza and Malasia have enough space for this so could have the cars come back down the pit lane. However the pit lane would have to be closed on the last lap for this to happen like it is in Spa. I think that drivers that run out of fuel like this should be punished. And would require teams to have slightly more fuel in the cars just to make it to the end.

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ESPImperium wrote:I think that drivers that run out of fuel like this should be punished. And would require teams to have slightly more fuel in the cars just to make it to the end.
Agreed.

Or just scrap slow down laps...
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I never understood that - why haven't more teams deliberately underfuelled their car and just stopped it after the chequered? I mean, I don't think it's exactly hard to make look like a miscalculation...
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raymondu999 wrote:I never understood that - why haven't more teams deliberately underfuelled their car and just stopped it after the chequered? I mean, I don't think it's exactly hard to make look like a miscalculation...
IIRC there was a "techinical" directive that if you did it too much, you'd get DQed.

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So I'll do it for 2 out of every 10 races. How much is "too much?"
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Id like to see it that you would get a 5 place grid drop the next race.

There once was a storm over Lewis not being able to make it to Parc Ferme after quali in Canada. I cant remember if it was 2008 or 2011, but that was stopped quickly. I think stopping after running out of fuel at the end of the race should be treated the same. Id recon allow the drivers 5 min delta to get theuir cars into parc ferme from the moment they cross the flag would be ideal.

No one wants to see a driver celebrate a win at the wrong end of the pit lane.

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maybe it's a little bit late but i like the look of these snapshots. :D

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