Bahrain GP 2012 - Sakhir

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ESPImperium wrote:There once was a storm over Lewis not being able to make it to Parc Ferme after quali in Canada. I cant remember if it was 2008 or 2011, but that was stopped quickly.
Canada 2010. He had actually done the lap that was supposed to be his final run - but decided to push for another lap (which I think should've been his inlap + quali fuel). They told him to stop the car as he exited the hairpin, and Lewis started pushing the car back.

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raymondu999 wrote:Speaking of the circuit - why do you folks think the Renault engine was so mighty here? I thought of engine cooling requirements but then decided that can't be it - as we didn't really have engine issues. All I can think of is maybe a torque curve that's very drivable under traction and so reduced wheelspin out of the traction zones.
And why did the Mercedes engines dominate in China, no reason, again it's just coincidence.

Both Redbull & Lotus hit the sweatspot with the tyres in Bahrain, that's the reason, its trye temps, tyre tems, tyre temps !!!

Macca had a good qually pace but just didn't have the speed in the race, they never got the tyres working like Red Bull & Lotus. If the race day temps had been 10 / 15 degrees lower my guess is that we'd have seen a different winner.

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Not convinced that it was all down to tyres. By rights, Mercedes should have done better here, because the lower temps and the track layout suited them very well, as told by Rosberg and Brawn just before the race.

I would put the biggest factor he, as being the engine. Lotus (Renault) have always had great low speed traction, and just look at the start of the race from the overhead shot, both Lotus' (Lotuses? Lotii?) gained significant advantage over their rivals in the first 300 meters or so.

Also, with Regards to how Vettel was able to pull away so easily at the start, I suspect that he had the engine turned right up (using more fuel)which prevented him from completing his slow down lap. In my opinion, this should be absolutely banned - if your car does not complete the warm-up lap, the race, and the slow down lap, then your finishing position should not stand.

Red Bull's continued used of "stop the car immediately, there is a dangerous fault" on the radio at the end of the race is an insult to everyone watching, and it's just them circumventing a sloppy rule that needs to be tightened.
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Hangaku wrote:Also, with Regards to how Vettel was able to pull away so easily at the start, I suspect that he had the engine turned right up (using more fuel)which prevented him from completing his slow down lap.
I don't think he did anything spectacular to be honest. His gap was spectacular, yes. But he was pulling away from an ailing McLaren - where the real pacesetters were the Loti. When Grosjean came into clean air (after that somewhat-beautiful pass on Hamilton) he was matching Vettel, whose laptimes weren't exactly slower than they were at the start. I think it was more a case of Vettel and the Loti being the 3 quickest cars on track that day - and the Loti initially being caught up in traffic.
Red Bull's continued used of "stop the car immediately, there is a dangerous fault" on the radio at the end of the race is an insult to everyone watching, and it's just them circumventing a sloppy rule that needs to be tightened.
Eh... when did they do that? Other than when they were telling Seb he ran out of fuel that is. I don't think they actually said there was anything wrong IIRC - they just said they were out of fuel and he had to stop so there was enough for an FIA scrutineering sample.
Hangaku wrote:Not convinced that it was all down to tyres. By rights, Mercedes should have done better here, because the lower temps and the track layout suited them very well, as told by Rosberg and Brawn just before the race.
I don't think the Merc suits lower temps in particular - as Brawn has said many times, the car's a bit of a prima donna with tyres. For it to work properly, it needs a setup specifically tailored to a specific temperature. The one time when the Merc has come good (China) has been when Friday temps and Sunday temps were roughly in the same range. Malaysia and Bahrain it was cooler on Sunday, and in Melbourne it was hotter on Sunday.
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:arrow:a few more pics from the race...

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hamilton vs rosberg :arrow: as you can see, rosberg is also off the track :!: what the hell he is doing there :?:
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alonso vs rosberg
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hamilton vs massa
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risky drive from alonso #-o
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top speed from raikkonen and vettel:
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Dead links on the pics :\

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postimage doesn't work like that zoro - you have to reupload them onto your own space somewhere. I recommend photobucket or imageshack
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Not sure if its been posted at this point before, BUT.....

Hamilton CLEARLY 3/4 along side and STILL 100% on the track!
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thanks for the information. now i will reupload them.

also, i see the pics and im wondering why you cant see them!?
raymondu999 wrote:postimage doesn't work like that zoro - you have to reupload them onto your own space somewhere. I recommend photobucket or imageshack
edit: reuploaded! please tell me do you see them now? 8)
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Yep. They're showing up loud and clear
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Whitmarsh says their race pace was a second a lap slower than their long runs on Friday WTF ?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99110

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Smells like tyres to me
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Yup, the tyres probably just dropped out of their operating range.

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Bahrain highlights
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Wow... so Merc wasn't the only one having the problem this year. The tyres really are sensitive this year. This was probably McLarens version of what Melbourne/Sepang was for the Mercs.