Ferrari F2012

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According to this article they changed the radiators layout:

http://translate.google.pt/translate?sl ... %3Df105294

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Any word AT ALL (Crucial X...) about the new nose ridding of that horrid step? I pray to god they do something about that. [-o< I still don't understand the benefit of having/keeping it. :wtf:
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Chuckjr wrote:Any word AT ALL (Crucial X...) about the new nose ridding of that horrid step? I pray to god they do something about that. [-o< I still don't understand the benefit of having/keeping it. :wtf:
Not in their plans now it seems. The pull-rod FS and the nose will remain the same as confirmed many times by Fry earlier.

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why this year Ferrari wing is flexing much less than last year?
Mercedes and even Lotus seems to flex a lot not to mention RB!
Could it be rake related!
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I personally took this with a grain of salt however in the interest of the technical forum its time to share this link from F1SA:

http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=co ... Itemid=157

The only fragments from this article that made my ears perk up was that Ferrari are bringing a new nose, front wing and rear downforce upgrade.

lets wait and see?
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To me the Ferrari sidepods look like the ones on the Torro Rosso without the double floor. Could it be that physically internally the ferrari can't have an exit ala red bull, mclaren et al?

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alogoc wrote:why this year Ferrari wing is flexing much less than last year?
Mercedes and even Lotus seems to flex a lot not to mention RB!
Could it be rake related!
The rules for wing load testing have been more stringent this year - http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pr ... cw-qa.aspx

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alogoc wrote:why this year Ferrari wing is flexing much less than last year?
Mercedes and even Lotus seems to flex a lot not to mention RB!
Could it be rake related!
Could the front Pullrod suspenspion have an influence on the flexibility of the front wing?

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crypted wrote:Could the front Pullrod suspenspion have an influence on the flexibility of the front wing?
No.

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Mui wrote:To me the Ferrari sidepods look like the ones on the Torro Rosso without the double floor. Could it be that physically internally the ferrari can't have an exit ala red bull, mclaren et al?
they are nowhere near to "similar", even without double floor.

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timbo wrote:
crypted wrote:Could the front Pullrod suspenspion have an influence on the flexibility of the front wing?
No.
don´t be sure..the forces of the pushrods are fed into the tub ...and if you are committed as RedBull certainly is ..you will work with controlled elastic deformation of components to enhance aero...
It is perfectly possible that under certain suspension loads the tub is designed to bend.
I might just remind you guys that REDBULL had two years in a row issues with tubs somehow giving up i one of the first races.
Same for lotus this year...
It seems totally unrealistic these teams do a trial and error in their tub design in terms of understanding the loads involved?
there is something they want to achieve and certainly it´s not saving 100odd grammes of carbonfibre placed too high in the forward portion of the tub when you still have a steering rack master cylinders ,steering column,and pedalbox + two drivers legs ,electronic boxes there.

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marcush. wrote:you cannot ignore the time your components are exposed to the temp.If you think that is not important and not worth knowing you are up to some surprises.
I´d say the thermal behaviour of the CF components is not that easy to monitor as the heat may or may not be conducted quite quickly along the length of the fibres.

I for once would install permanent temp probes in critical areas per defaultand monitor closely what´s happening and after completing the service life iinspection will reveal how close my prediction was in terms of life remaining in the component...
ok, I have a feeling the dudes at SF indeed have a clue as to what needs to be monitored in order to ensure the safety of their drivers. But those stickers are used to monitor the max temp.

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What material is that black thing used for coanda ramps around modern F1 exhausts?
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alogoc wrote:What material is that black thing used for coanda ramps around modern F1 exhausts?
Could it be silica ceramics!?

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marcush. wrote:
timbo wrote:
crypted wrote:Could the front Pullrod suspenspion have an influence on the flexibility of the front wing?
No.
don´t be sure..the forces of the pushrods are fed into the tub ...and if you are committed as RedBull certainly is ..you will work with controlled elastic deformation of components to enhance aero...
It is perfectly possible that under certain suspension loads the tub is designed to bend.
I might just remind you guys that REDBULL had two years in a row issues with tubs somehow giving up i one of the first races.
Same for lotus this year...
It seems totally unrealistic these teams do a trial and error in their tub design in terms of understanding the loads involved?
there is something they want to achieve and certainly it´s not saving 100odd grammes of carbonfibre placed too high in the forward portion of the tub when you still have a steering rack master cylinders ,steering column,and pedalbox + two drivers legs ,electronic boxes there.

But I don't see what tub deformation has to do with flexible wing? Front wing is not part of the tub so whatever suspension type you have it does not influence flexibility of your front wing.