Engine Freeze

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
captainmorgan
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Engine Freeze

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How exactly is the engine freeze supposed to work? Are Ferrari and Renault going to be allowed to maintain engine superiority for the next 2 seasons? How will FIA know if engines are modified?

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I'm also somewhat confused by current reporting on the issue.
If it really means no more development on the engines, then what about teams who currently have reliability problems (I'm thinking Cosworth for example), would they essentially be prohibited from actually fixing their problems by this engine freeze? Or are we just talking a freeze on the current rules?

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You might find that this new rule will proberly make manufactures do what ferrari few years back. And put there new engines in hack road cars and test them to the max before they reveal them.
rok

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The FIA are going to allow people to apply to have changes allowed. Persumably to get over reliability, minor performance issues. The way I read it was that the FIA will then decide whether to allow the change to be homologated or not.......

Used properly, this would allow the FIA to obtain a certain amount of parity between engines and hold them there. Of course, it could be wide open to being abused..........that would cause all sorts of trouble :evil:

Don't forget a standard ECU is coming on stream - so, let's say the rev limit is set at 19000rpm, then most of the current crop of engines will be relatively under-stressed.

BTW - I'm not so sure Cosworth have got reliability problems, some of the stuff that has caused the car to stop looks like installation issues to me.

I wonder if they will be homologating fuels & oils too?

Unless I am really missing the point, with a standard ECU and a rev limit the manufacturers will have very little to gain in developing the engines (just as long as they are light/stiff and last the distance). So, you will probably see engines with much more performance parity than now.

Sorry, I don't think we will see F1 engines in road cars - better to test them on benches than let them out in the hands of Joe Public in un-controlled conditions :wink:

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Wont Renault benifit massively by the engine freeze move ? They had perhaps the best engines as of June 2006 and this is to stay constant.

The engine freeze move IMHO condemns and blocks out one of the most basic aspects of competition - giving the lesser performers a chance to improve.

It is least surprising that Renault is behind engine freeze idea

manchild
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Ha!… I thrust so much in stories “discovered” by German or Italian media "traditionaly unbiased" towards Schuey and Ferrari.

What would you say if French or Spanish media published a story that Ferrari is behind “engine freeze” idea?

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Lightspeed wrote:The engine freeze move IMHO condemns and blocks out one of the most basic aspects of competition - giving the lesser performers a chance to improve.
Not just against that, but also against the idea of Formula 1 IMHO. Technical progression and new and inventive solutions are one of the cornerstones of F1.
I'm not at all happy with all this standardisation and extreme restriction, that's what A1GP and GP2 are for already, not F1 :/.

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Saribro wrote:Not just against that, but also against the idea of Formula 1 IMHO. Technical progression and new and inventive solutions are one of the cornerstones of F1.
I'm not at all happy with all this standardisation and extreme restriction, that's what A1GP and GP2 are for already, not F1 :/.
I agree with you but Max is shaping F1 to suit his own background "Ein tyre, Ein ECU, Ein engine!".
I really don't like when someone insists that all children have similar personality as their parents but in his case "Apple never falls far from the tree" is the truth... "Sieg Heil" :roll:

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RH1300S i didnt meant any body can chuck a f1 engine a road car. take alook at that toyota supra that is buzzing around on test tracks sounding so much like a f1 car. so take a look at the engine relibalbty of toyota f1
engine has improved a litlle since that supra has been buzzing around. Also you have the ferrari 430 gt2 hiding distintive engine wine. and bmw m3 v8 buzzing around so thick that they might be up to something.
rok

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furnik28 wrote:RH1300S i didnt meant any body can chuck a f1 engine a road car. take alook at that toyota supra that is buzzing around on test tracks sounding so much like a f1 car. so take a look at the engine relibalbty of toyota f1
engine has improved a litlle since that supra has been buzzing around. Also you have the ferrari 430 gt2 hiding distintive engine wine. and bmw m3 v8 buzzing around so thick that they might be up to something.
Sorry - didn't read your words properly :oops:

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bmw can fit a f1 v8 in front
[IMG:450:303]http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8611/bmw1yx8.jpg[/img]

toyota has a v10 in the front of this lexus

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ferrari can chuck f1 v8 in this also no one would notice it would sound the same as 430 gt motor

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so really you cant say there a engine freaze next year.
rok

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furnik28 wrote: ferrari can chuck f1 v8 in this also no one would notice it would sound the same as 430 gt motor
You're joking, right? A F430 does not sound like an F1 V8.

I won't believe any of your claims until I see the engine bay picture.

That 'Lexus' is probably the new Supra or something.

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Lightspeed wrote:Wont Renault benifit massively by the engine freeze move ? They had perhaps the best engines as of June 2006 and this is to stay constant.

The engine freeze move IMHO condemns and blocks out one of the most basic aspects of competition - giving the lesser performers a chance to improve.

It is least surprising that Renault is behind engine freeze idea
Renault is supported of this because they probably have the best engine package this season so they will technically have the greatest advantage with the engine freeze.
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* From 2009 the Formula One Technical Regulations will include means to promote fuel efficiency including energy recovery and re-use. All relevant regulations for 2009 will be published no later than December 31, 2006.

* GPMA has setup a working group to examine possible future rules for Formula One which will allow a performance advantage to be obtained by means of more efficient use of available energy. These future regulations may include changes to current power units. The FIA and other engine suppliers will join this group.


Forgive my ignorance, but are they talking about hybridizing F1 cars?