Ferrari F2012

[isomax89]

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chi si vede!!! hello isomax!! sorry for the OT and the italian but he follows the same italian forum (unless they are two different person with the same name ).

however the Pit Stop in Spain seems to me very fast, italian "commentators" said that in bahrein they did it in 2.6 sec, is it true?

Ciao ema
Che bello trovare qualcuno che parla italiano!
Come avrai già notato qui sono tutti molto competenti peccato per il mio pessimo inglese che spesso mi induce a non partecipare attivamente ai post

For your question i don't remember the pit in Bharein but today Ferrari is the fastest team during the pit with RB team

You can check at this site;)
http://www.f1matrix.it/

[Kiril Varbanov]

Still, I don't really understand the real reason(s) for the lack of top speed.
In Spain, for example, Alonso is almost 8 km/h down on the speed trap compared to Romain, who's at the top, while the former is below the average.

1. One of the reasons for low top speed is generally ... well, drag - besides the large Venturi mouth, I don't see anything shocking from the overall form factor of F2012.
2. Internal cooling and air flow - has been discussed here in many posts, still, I haven't got a final inference. If that doesn't work properly, could the engine be intentionally tuned down?
3. Shorter gear ratios for better acceleration / more torque?
4. None of the above or combination, perhaps a function of less traction, thus not being able to carry lots of speed all around the track?

I'd love to discuss that, and I'm yet to find a good onboard video from this year.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Onboard video Barcelona

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Qw7ejuuiuI

Onboard video Bahrein

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41lwmjUx ... ure=relmfu

[amouzouris]

Still, I don't really understand the real reason(s) for the lack of top speed.
In Spain, for example, Alonso is almost 8 km/h down on the speed trap compared to Romain, who's at the top, while the former is below the average.

1. One of the reasons for low top speed is generally ... well, drag - besides the large Venturi mouth, I don't see anything shocking from the overall form factor of F2012.
2. Internal cooling and air flow - has been discussed here in many posts, still, I haven't got a final inference. If that doesn't work properly, could the engine be intentionally tuned down?
3. Shorter gear ratios for better acceleration / more torque?
4. None of the above or combination, perhaps a function of less traction, thus not being able to carry lots of speed all around the track?

I'd love to discuss that, and I'm yet to find a good onboard video from this year.

i don't think the nose venturi induces any significant drag...they had it last year as well and it didn't hurt the top speed of the car...the internal aero is something ferrari can improve in my opinion and the lower leading edge if the sidepods can get some improvement as well...

[Mazdaboy]

Anybody knows Ferrari use this device in the spanish weekend?

[shelly]

Should be this:

http://www.envcoglobal.com/catalog/prod ... ators.html

[Mazdaboy]

No no no. The measuring frame was used in friday practice?

[delsando]

Anybody knows Ferrari use this device in the spanish weekend?

I know its off topic, but isnt this guy from mclaren, spying on the ferrari in pit lane back in 2010. Ironic

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW2C_2vGfvI[/youtube]

[Kiril Varbanov]

No no no. The measuring frame was used in friday practice?

Personally I haven't spotted the device in the FP. It's an aero rake, a Kiel probe, as far as I can see, used to measure the total pressure. No sensitivity to direction of flow, yaw & pitch.
In the FP there was lots of flow-viz, though.

[motobaleno]

Still, I don't really understand the real reason(s) for the lack of top speed.
In Spain, for example, Alonso is almost 8 km/h down on the speed trap compared to Romain, who's at the top, while the former is below the average.

1. One of the reasons for low top speed is generally ... well, drag - besides the large Venturi mouth, I don't see anything shocking from the overall form factor of F2012.

the problem is that over 300 km/h you don't need anything shocking to cut 8 km/h off top speed... subtle details are more than enough

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Ciao ema
Che bello trovare qualcuno che parla italiano!
Come avrai già notato qui sono tutti molto competenti peccato per il mio pessimo inglese che spesso mi induce a non partecipare attivamente ai post

For your question i don't remember the pit in Bharein but today Ferrari is the fastest team during the pit with RB team

Please do not feel hesitant to join the conversation because English isn't your primary language. There are many that speak Italian here and English is 2nd language and many others that have other primary languages other than English. Feel free to join in conversations. )


I remember see the pressure tool Thursday but I don't recall the team using it. In fact, I don't recall Ferrari using anything other than the pitot tube atop the car. Interesting we lack in aerodynamics, and we see other teams use more sophisticated measuring devices.

The question now is the likely development path chosen for the F2012. Gary Anderson also made a big deal about the FWEP's and it seems Ferrari ran a new endplate & slotted top cascade element in Spain. But the endplate really wasn't too much different. Anderson says Ferrari is quite conservative with it's endplate design.

[AnthonyG]

Still, I don't really understand the real reason(s) for the lack of top speed.
In Spain, for example, Alonso is almost 8 km/h down on the speed trap compared to Romain, who's at the top, while the former is below the average.

1. One of the reasons for low top speed is generally ... well, drag - besides the large Venturi mouth, I don't see anything shocking from the overall form factor of F2012.

the problem is that over 300 km/h you don't need anything shocking to cut 8 km/h off top speed... subtle details are more than enough

If you have a brick, yes, but not if you have an allready slick f1 car.

I think ferrari didn't set it's goals high enough for top speed and where hoping that they'd have enough grip like Red Bull in previous seasons. (this being purely hypothetical off course)

[Gerhard Berger]

Still, I don't really understand the real reason(s) for the lack of top speed.
In Spain, for example, Alonso is almost 8 km/h down on the speed trap compared to Romain, who's at the top, while the former is below the average.

1. One of the reasons for low top speed is generally ... well, drag - besides the large Venturi mouth, I don't see anything shocking from the overall form factor of F2012.

the problem is that over 300 km/h you don't need anything shocking to cut 8 km/h off top speed... subtle details are more than enough

If you have a brick, yes, but not if you have an allready slick f1 car.

I think ferrari didn't set it's goals high enough for top speed and where hoping that they'd have enough grip like Red Bull in previous seasons. (this being purely hypothetical off course)

We are basically only 1kmph off the Mercedes' and 2-3 kmph off the Mclarens in terms of top speed. Our top speed is average but it is certainly not terrible. Red Bull are the ones who should be worried about their top speed, especially considering their car is no longer dominant in qualifying.

[Gerhard Berger]

Ferrari has aerod.traction problems not mechanical right?

thats about right! they said from the beginning of the year that their problems were aero related...thats what they focused on and the car really improved! we can expect a good result as monaco as the car showed that it had good mechanical grip in montmelo...in the last sector which is mostly mechanical it was putting in really good times!!

yep we were third fastest in the final sector (which includes the chicane and the heavy braking zone of turn 10) behind Maldonado and Hamilton. Relative to the rest of the field, it was our strongest sector.

[ferrulin]

On a different topic, the F2012 had suffered a clear loss of pace in the last stints of the first four races when the fuel tank was empty. Looking to Barcelona this problem has dissapeared. Alonso was fast and catched Maldonado at the beggining of the last stint and only lost his pace in the last 5 laps or so, but that was clearly tyre related.

I wonder what is the reason for that improvement.