FIA bans innovative damper system

[Scuderia_Russ]

because when it benifits ferrari its bad because they are cheaters

WTF does this tripe mean?

[Scuderia_Russ]

Renault were quite capable of losing, and comfortably on some occasions, or being beaten when they really should've won (see Imola), or at least being run very close (see Bahrain), even with the mass damper system on the car

Bridgestone have stolen a march over Michelin, obviously critically in a tyre war. It doesn't account for the Michelin runners that finished ahead of Renault though, which could easily be put down to poor tyre choice and or poor set up last weekend. It is safe to say that Ferrari have gained more from the Bridgestone scenario than the damper one (they too have such a system remember) especially seeing the likes of Williams and Toyota giving Renault a good run for their money points towards Bridgestone doing a much better job.
Alonso has even said himself he can't tell the difference with or without it. Honestly... the sooner we see one supplier the better imo.

[manchild]

... the sooner we see one supplier the better imo.

Both Michelin and Bridgestone have 100 F1 victories each. Difference is in fact that Michelin never participated in F1 without having at least one supplier to compete against. That is why Michelin's 100 victories are worth immeasurably more than 100 Bridgestone's (they were already single suplier for several seasons).

Racing against nobody is... nothing... wining without having opposition isn't really winning.

[Saribro]

Difference is in fact that Michelin never participated in F1 without having at least one supplier to compete against.

That's the way they want it. The 2008 rule of a single supplier is the reason they pulled out of the 2007 championship, they are in it for the competition.

[Scuderia_Russ]

... the sooner we see one supplier the better imo.

Both Michelin and Bridgestone have 100 F1 victories each. Difference is in fact that Michelin never participated in F1 without having at least one supplier to compete against. That is why Michelin's 100 victories are worth immeasurably more than 100 Bridgestone's (they were already single suplier for several seasons).

Racing against nobody is... nothing... wining without having opposition isn't really winning.

With one supplier you get less bitching from certain quarters about who is doing what and the fan gets a clearer picture of who is really at the head of the field. I've said before that I believe tyre wars only really work with three or more suppliers, so in the current cost cutting climate, one supplier makes sense to me.

[RacingManiac]

because when it benifits ferrari its bad because they are cheaters

WTF does this tripe mean?

I think that was sarcasm.....

At any rate, not many mentioned that Renault is pinning part of the poor German GP performance down to their new REAR suspension....which may or may not relate to the REAR tire blistering problem....

Losing partial control of front tires over bump and curb without Mass damper(on a track that wasn't really known as much for curb hopping as say, Imola) is a lot less of a concern when you are running out of rear grip in a hurry....

[wazojugs]

They also run a mass damper on the rear of the engine, see this weeks autoposrt

[tpe]

Mass dampers are used in order to avoid graining. Blistering is the effect of overheating. And to my opinion, the reason was the new rear suspension. They removed it from the cars that run in Hungary.

[wazojugs]

Mass dampers are used to control the car pitch better. Also allowing you to run stiffer suspension with the mass damper preventing the tyre from becoming overloaded. This system would also allow they tyre to get up to temperature quicker

[RacingManiac]

Mass dampers are used in order to avoid graining. Blistering is the effect of overheating. And to my opinion, the reason was the new rear suspension. They removed it from the cars that run in Hungary.

Why would mass damper be used for graining reason? Do the extra tire vibration causes graining? or perhaps like the previous post said with the mass damper they can potentially run stiffer and thus allow the tire to work more to get to better operating temp to avoid graining? Which I guess makes sense if what Renault is reporting at Hungaroring is correct when they are graining because of the unseasonably low track temp...

[tpe]

Mass dampers are used in order to avoid graining. Blistering is the effect of overheating. And to my opinion, the reason was the new rear suspension. They removed it from the cars that run in Hungary.

Why would mass damper be used for graining reason? Do the extra tire vibration causes graining? or perhaps like the previous post said with the mass damper they can potentially run stiffer and thus allow the tire to work more to get to better operating temp to avoid graining? Which I guess makes sense if what Renault is reporting at Hungaroring is correct when they are graining because of the unseasonably low track temp...

I cannot say for sure, I am not a tyre engineer, but what I have learned is that MD main purpose is to run smoothly over kerbs. That benefits the tyres, and especially minimizes the prossibility to grain. That's what they told me

[furnik28]

autosport has a good photo of the system in front of the fia deligates in france.

[manchild]

autosport has a good photo of the system in front of the fia deligates in france.

Link?

[mini696]

Alonso has even said himself he can't tell the difference with or without it.

I would take that with a grain of salt. Thats just the PC answer. It has been confirmed by the team that on average the loss of the MD is 0.3sec per lap.

[furnik28]

its in the mag