2012 Monaco GP - Monte Carlo

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myurr wrote:@fiohaa - that's been the case for many years now, not just this year. Since they did away with refuelling there's an element of saving the tyres. Before that they were saving fuel.

Alonso may be able to attack yet, let's just see what happens. In the past we had Coulthard in a front running McLaren being held up at the back of the grid for half the race, so it's a bit rich to blame the tyres for the lack of overtaking opportunity.

Grosjean didn't weave, he moved right to fight the Ferrari and back to the left to take the widest line possible in to the corner. He probably didn't realise Schumacher was there or as close as he was, and that was his big mistake. That's not a mistake deserving of a penalty.

If the cars don't work across a wide range of temperatures then that's down to the design of the car. They need to do a better job. It would be a lottery if the performance of the tyre itself changed, it doesn't. The tyres don't vary, the teams just aren't keeping them in the working window. The fact that they can work that out and can come up with a solution, even if it takes them time, by definition means it is not a lottery.
the extent to which they are having to save tyres this year is much further and much more exagerrated than anything like its been in the past.
We Know that from lap 1 onwards in the race, they are driving well within their own abilities to nurse the tyres. That is not racing anymore.

Grosjean by definition weaved. He moved right, then moved left. That is a weave. You can describe that as erratic in behaviour - and he of course knew schumacher was there which is why he tried to chop him off by swerving back left again. He was not moving back to the racing line, it was a sudden and decisive move + ....its not back to the racing line anyway.....they only move back to the left to take the apex after that barrier which sticks out a bit.

by definition it is a lottery...because weather is affecting the tyre operating window so much from car to car, more so than any of the teams expected at the start of the year, and Much more so than in previous years. To the point where you can have a williams dominating 1 race, and no where the next.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/new ... s-in-Spain

mark hughes explains it really well.

I'll give you that its not strictly a lottery because they are all on the same tyres, but when track temperature is affecting things to this extent + the fact that drivers aren't pushing anymore...it makes for dull racing. (Unless youre a casual viewer who just likes seeing the pretty cars pass each other)
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FrukostScones wrote:bad bad strategy ferrari
how so? they just got the championship contender up a place.

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myurr wrote:
Red Schneider wrote:Alonso got Hamilton!
His pit stop was about 2 seconds quicker, plus he had a hell of an in lap.
Doesn't matter why. It matters that it happened.

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Vettel absolutely praying for a significant shower now. Might gift him the victory if it were to happen.

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ell66 wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:bad bad strategy ferrari
how so? they just got the championship contender up a place.
he was faster with old tyres than the others with new, he got HAM yes but only one..
they should have pitted Massa in the lap they piited HAM, in the end they have could switched position if nessecary
Finishing races is important, but racing is more important.

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soft tyres dont seem to work for anyone except vettel

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Vettel's got this race in the bag.
If rain comes, good for him.
If not, he's stopping probably one less than Mark, Lewis and Nico and Alonso.
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fiohaa wrote:the extent to which they are having to save tyres this year is much further and much more exagerrated than anything like its been in the past.
We Know that from lap 1 onwards in the race, they are driving well within their own abilities to nurse the tyres. That is not racing anymore.

Grosjean by definition weaved. He moved right, then moved left. That is a weave. You can describe that as erratic in behaviour - and he of course knew schumacher was there which is why he tried to chop him off by swerving back left again. He was not moving back to the racing line, it was a sudden and decisive move + ....its not back to the racing line anyway.....they only move back to the left to take the apex after that barrier which sticks out a bit.

by definition it is a lottery...because weather is affecting the tyre operating window so much from car to car, more so than any of the teams expected at the start of the year, and Much more so than in previous years. To the point where you can have a williams dominating 1 race, and no where the next.
We can go around the houses about tyre saving, but you cannot complain about the tyres for giving poor racing!

Grosjean did not weave. Is it being investigated by the stewards? No. If it was so visibly bad it would be under investigation.

By definition it is not a lottery, because all your statement says is that some teams are doing a better job than the others! Was it a lottery last year because the because Red Bull did a better job with the EBD than the others? Of course not. So why is it a lottery because some teams are doing better at managing the tyres than everyone else?

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Teechnical wrote:Vettel's got this race in the bag.
If rain comes, good for him.
If not, he's stopping probably one less than Mark, Lewis and Nico and Alonso.
They're all on a one stop strategy. If the rain comes he's quids in, if not then he's racing Hamilton for 5th.

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Teechnical wrote:Vettel's got this race in the bag.
If rain comes, good for him.
If not, he's stopping probably one less than Mark, Lewis and Nico and Alonso.

nope there all doing 1 stop, but he's looking good for the win, no one seems to be able to switch the tyres on save vettel, i mean how else can he be way faster with tyres nearly 30 laps older, gotta love the pirelli lottery :roll:

spitting with rain now though.

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myurr wrote:We can go around the houses about tyre saving, but you cannot complain about the tyres for giving poor racing!
The hell I can't. That's the whole point here.
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:wtf:

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So, you act like a douche in Q3, don't even set a time so you can put primes for the start, probably force the team to play the strategy in your way and you end up in 1st place with a big chance of winning... F*#$ you finger boy!
They need to establish a rule in Q3, if you don't go out just so you can save tires and choose strategy, you're demoted to last place!
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Jersey Tom wrote:
myurr wrote:We can go around the houses about tyre saving, but you cannot complain about the tyres for giving poor racing!
The hell I can't. That's the whole point here.
So how would a more durable tyre give us better racing here?