2012 Monaco GP - Monte Carlo

[Mestrades]

Grosjean MUST be penalized for the next GP like Schumy was in Spain. That's frustatin, this .. Grosjean is a suicide mate

[Mestrades]

Grosjean must be penalized. If not, I never will see F1 in my live.

[zyphro]

after seeing this over and over again its 65/35 GRo/ALO :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr59yi ... jean_sport

i meant this at around 0:10
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr5ao7 ... crash_auto

Damn, Schumacher had a brilliant start.

[andartop]

Alonso tried to shove his car into a gap which it was never going to fit into. Result = bumping another car. Of course he gets away even without an investigation. Remember how Hamilton was treated(rather crucified) last year when he tried to fit his car into a gap which it was never going to fit into ? He isn't called teflonso without reason. He got away from crashgate scot free ( he didn't know ), now he knows he can get away from anything. I'm not saying the move he made today should've been punished %100, though it deserved an investigation but got overlooked so easily.

By watching the video I think it is quite obvious it was just a racing incident, as both drivers moved towards each other. Alonso said in the press conference he just run out of space as Hamilton in front of him was way too slow, he lifted but his left rear made contact with Grosjean's right front. Which kinda shows he was already ahead. Now, there's a long history in this forum of arguing about what percentage of a car's length is enough to define someone is in front, so let us not go into that again... Let's see what comes out of the stewards' investigation.

[Shrieker]

Hint: They're not going to strip Alonso's podium...

And... People blaming Grosjean for driving into Schumi. Really ?!? What was he supposed to do ? He got banged from the right and a racing driver's reflex to that is obvious. Too bad Michael was there. The odd thing is, had Michael not lifted (which was also a reflex) his car wouldn't have lost it's speed and Grosjean's rear left wouldn't have made contact. It could've given Grosjean a vital tenth of a second to go to right again. But I don't think Grosjean and Schumi are at fault at all.

[andartop]

Hint: They're not going to strip Alonso's podium...

Which would be appropriate you think???

I'm pretty sure if there was a case for something like that either Lotus, McLaren or Red Bull could bring that up with the FIA, no? The fact they haven't might be a good indication they wouldn't have a case?

[marcush.]

Hint: They're not going to strip Alonso's podium...

And... People blaming Grosjean for driving into Schumi. Really ?!? What was he supposed to do ? He got banged from the right and a racing driver's reflex to that is obvious. Too bad Michael was there. The odd thing is, had Michael not lifted (which was also a reflex) his car wouldn't have lost it's speed and Grosjean's rear left wouldn't have made contact. It could've given Grosjean a vital tenth of a second to go to right again. But I don't think Grosjean and Schumi are at fault at all.

you can see Schumacher flat spotting his tyres ..so he did slow ...but i think it would have been better to push and have a little side by side wheel banging ...unfortunatelly Grosjeans move was too quick to complete this plan of Schumacher.

[Shrieker]

Which would be appropriate you think???

Ok, that should've been "not going to penalise him in any way, or reprimand him" instead. They might reprimand him though, in which case I'll eat my hat.

[GrizzleBoy]

From page 33.

I have this weird feeling that Lewis is going to be under pressure from Grosjean and possibly everyone in the top ten behind him.....don't know why....

Also, the pole lap replay shows Schumacher going through the swimming pool chicanes ONE HANDED...WHILE adjusting the brake bias....

Remember when he said that his grandmother could drive these cars? Maybe he wasn't exaggerating lol.

Looks like my gut feeling was pretty much spot on.

From the very start, Lewis was under pressure from both Ferraris, Schumacher, Grosjean and Vettel, with Alonso and Vettel getting the undercut on him through questionable strategy/pit performance.

I think the fact that Monaco has literally no space for overtaking regardless if the car in front of you is an HRT with one wheel and no driver, most likely masked a real problem in terms of McLaren having almost no pace compared to the other top teams.

[andartop]

Ok, that should've been "not going to penalise him in any way, or reprimand him" instead. They might reprimand him though, in which case I'll eat my hat.

I still can't see why should they. It seems so far that none of the parties involved (Lotus, Mercedes, Sauber) or the parties that would benefit from a penalty imposed on Alonso (McLaren, Red Bull) saw this incident the way you do. That's why I said let's wait until we have the result of the stewards' investigation.

I agree with you though that sometimes drivers that should have been punished or at least reprimanded just seem to get away with it without any explanation. Recent example was Lewis Hamilton in Bahrain, who overtook Rosberg with all 4 wheels off the track. Since the stewards decided Rosberg did nothing wrong surely that should have automatically incurred a penalty for Lewis.

[Shrieker]

Lol haha. Hamilton's fault

In a way it was Hamilton's fault this time too. He wasn't fast enough in the start and chain started the whole thing. Hamilton's fault as I said

[strad]

And... People blaming Grosjean for driving into Schumi. Really ?!? What was he supposed to do ? He got banged from the right

So right!...At first I was screaming at the TV about Grosjean,,,is that how you spell his name??...anyway when I realized he was hit from the right side, the already walking on thin ice , Felipe Massa, I had to eat my words. Really bummed me out because for some reason I don't understand, I find myself pulling for Michael these days.

[strad]

I just saw a post race interview in which Alonso took blame for being the one to touch the Frenchman,,,Ah well sorry Felipe...I still think you're slip sliding away.

[Hail22]

Is there an update whether teams will ask for a clarification of the RB8 Floor? or make an official protest Tuesday week before the Canadian GP?

[Kiril Varbanov]

Is there an update whether teams will ask for a clarification of the RB8 Floor? or make an official protest Tuesday week before the Canadian GP?

According to Adam Cooper the FIA TWG is going to discuss the matter on Monday - http://adamcooperf1.com/2012/05/27/fias ... on-monday/