Williams FW34 Renault

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hardingfv32 wrote:
Huntresa wrote:But if it does what it says in the article, that it cut drag wouldnt the opposite be said for the other way around on the williams wing last year at Spa? I dont get how they can run both versions on low df circuits, cause they have to be opposite no?
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What is the normal description of the downforce level for Canada: High, mid, low?
Second lowest of the season – second only to Monza.

Neno
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hardingfv32 wrote:
Huntresa wrote:But if it does what it says in the article, that it cut drag wouldnt the opposite be said for the other way around on the williams wing last year at Spa? I dont get how they can run both versions on low df circuits, cause they have to be opposite no?
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What is the normal description of the downforce level for Canada: High, mid, low?

Brian
mid-low

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hardingfv32 wrote: What is the normal description of the downforce level for Canada: High, mid, low?

Brian
I believe it is usually described as mid/low df

Are they trying to take advantage of the cleaner air in the outboard section of the wing to generate df, and attempt to dump some drag in the centre of the wing, where the air is more turbulent?

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boyracer94 wrote:Are they trying to take advantage of the cleaner air in the outboard section of the wing to generate df, and attempt to dump some drag in the centre of the wing, where the air is more turbulent?
Something like that has been stated before when this subject came up.

Brian

Huntresa
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@ScarbsF1 Any insights into that Williams rear wing?

@benhalls Williams seem to be trying the opposite to last years low drag wing, by reducing the load in the middle of the wing

@benhalls To my mind having a higher loaded wing tip is bad for drag, so I don't understand their thinking

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Damn sexy cars. Just don't see estetics and curves like that regularly today.

The RW is reminiscent of the R30 wing from Valencia 2010, discounting the central pylon:
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I had some free time at work this week and decided to generate some coloured pictures (as our engineers call CFD method in amateur hands) using very quick rough calculations. Curved wing gets a 20% better drag reduction with DRS activated rather than usual "flat" wing. I think it all goes to that cetral section wich is almost parallel to the wind. And with DRS off it feeds the wing with "better" air that is situated a bit further from the car - the low pressure zone goes further back and higher at the back of the wing. But, of course, it's only a rough calculation.

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First evidence of other teams searching for a "double drs" effect post-AMG ruling? IE we now know that DRS can have secondary aero effects beyond the movable plane, maybe this got thrown up in their analysis of exploiting this?
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Huntresa
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Gridlock wrote:First evidence of other teams searching for a "double drs" effect post-AMG ruling? IE we now know that DRS can have secondary aero effects beyond the movable plane, maybe this got thrown up in their analysis of exploiting this?

Wat? Its a reflection, not a bulge.

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this years canada spec rear wing is opposite of last years unraced RW

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http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/ ... 7/872.html

i remember Renault having the M wing in 2010 here

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Huntresa wrote:
Gridlock wrote:First evidence of other teams searching for a "double drs" effect post-AMG ruling? IE we now know that DRS can have secondary aero effects beyond the movable plane, maybe this got thrown up in their analysis of exploiting this?

Wat? Its a reflection, not a bulge.
look again..

Huntresa
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n_anirudh wrote:this years canada spec rear wing is opposite of last years unraced RW

[img]http://www.formula1.com/wi/full/ta_arti ... 72.jpg[img]

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/ ... 7/872.html

i remember Renault having the M wing in 2010 here

[img]http://www.f1-site.com/wallpapers/2010/ ... 11.jpg[img]
The wing was raced in spa.
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Huntresa
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marcush. wrote:
Huntresa wrote:
Gridlock wrote:First evidence of other teams searching for a "double drs" effect post-AMG ruling? IE we now know that DRS can have secondary aero effects beyond the movable plane, maybe this got thrown up in their analysis of exploiting this?

Wat? Its a reflection, not a bulge.
look again..
I just a reflection, look at the edges of it

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Huntresa wrote:
Gridlock wrote:First evidence of other teams searching for a "double drs" effect post-AMG ruling? IE we now know that DRS can have secondary aero effects beyond the movable plane, maybe this got thrown up in their analysis of exploiting this?

Wat? Its a reflection, not a bulge.
Was meant to be in reply to the post saying amateur CFD showed it aided drag reduction, not about any possible tubing in the endplates. Sorry
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