I agree Ray as fans we were cheated out of two epic battles watching Hamilton on fresh tires try to get past vettel and Alsonso instead we got DRS BS.Ray wrote:When the only effort you have to put forth to pass a driver is pushing a button on your steering wheel, yes there is blame for it. It's utter bullshit that even overtaking on straights in Formula 1 has come down to who gets to push a button and who doesn't. Tires have absolutely nothing to do with going faster on a straight, and any driver can ruin his tires without any input of design change from Pirelli. Pirelli have no control over the FIA making stupid decision like having DRS. Tires got the drivers to the rear of the driver(s) they were trying to pass, but some stupid gimmick let them fly right past without so much as a wave. DRS is bullshit and it needs to be gotten rid of.QLDriver wrote:I think it's hard to 'blame' DRS - at 4 seconds a lap slower than your challenger, there's NO way you're going to keep them behind.
Richly deserved by Hamilton.
Frying is the most underrated art of cooking!fritticaldi wrote:Ferrari pit strategy FRIED (Pat Fry). Alonso lost a staggering 28 seconds in the last 20 laps. Incompetence anyone
Like it would have taken much longer without DRS... I'm pretty sure Hamilton would have had Vettel even without DRS that lap. I doubt he'd have got alonso that lap, but I'm sure he would have the lap after.flynfrog wrote:I agree Ray as fans we were cheated out of two epic battles watching Hamilton on fresh tires try to get past vettel and Alsonso instead we got DRS BS.Ray wrote:When the only effort you have to put forth to pass a driver is pushing a button on your steering wheel, yes there is blame for it. It's utter bullshit that even overtaking on straights in Formula 1 has come down to who gets to push a button and who doesn't. Tires have absolutely nothing to do with going faster on a straight, and any driver can ruin his tires without any input of design change from Pirelli. Pirelli have no control over the FIA making stupid decision like having DRS. Tires got the drivers to the rear of the driver(s) they were trying to pass, but some stupid gimmick let them fly right past without so much as a wave. DRS is bullshit and it needs to be gotten rid of.QLDriver wrote:I think it's hard to 'blame' DRS - at 4 seconds a lap slower than your challenger, there's NO way you're going to keep them behind.
Richly deserved by Hamilton.
"I feel good. We tried to win the race. With 18 laps to go Hamilton stopped and we either stayed out and covered Sebastian Vettel or we stopped with him and see what happened.
"If we had stopped with Hamilton we would have returned in fourth and then with [Romain] Grosjean's degradation we would have finished fourth in the race and it would have been a huge mistake to stop. But now it seems the mistake was ours and Vettel's, so somebody had to get it wrong when there's a stop with 18 laps to go.
"We made the decision to try to win the race and it didn't work out, not because of the strategy, but because of the tyre degradation. I want that to be very clear because there will be confusion tomorrow, from people who don't understand the race.
"We stopped on the same lap as Grosjean, as he finished second with the same laptimes as Hamilton. So it's not about stopping with Hamilton or deciding not to stop, or stopping once or twice. The problem is that Grosjean did 55 laps with the tyres with a good pace and we did 45. That's the only problem.
It's all positive. The strategy we tried was positive, the result was positive and, again, the points scored are positive.
"No one is going to win the championship in the seventh race, there's a lot left. But race by race, if you don't score strong points you may start to lose it. So when it comes to points for the championship it's another very good weekend.
"We know Canada is a McLaren circuit. It has won a lot here and Hamilton has scored most pole positions. When we caught the plane to Canada I don't think anyone thought about winning the race, or maybe about finishing second. We are talking about having settled for third or fourth. We are talking about 12 or 15 points tops. We have 10. Perfect."
That's true, there was very very little doubt Lewis would've passed them easily sooner rather than later, but I'd rather see him have to earn the positions than push a button and go whistling on by.beelsebob wrote: Like it would have taken much longer without DRS... I'm pretty sure Hamilton would have had Vettel even without DRS that lap. I doubt he'd have got alonso that lap, but I'm sure he would have the lap after.
Without DRS do you think he would have been 2+ car lengths ahead by the braking zone? I doubt it. He would've passed him there without DRS, but he most likely wouldn't have been that many lengths ahead by the braking zone and would have had to be slightly defensive rather than sailing into the sunset. It was a great race, a great drive by Lewis, but DRS allowed too many easy passes when they should have been a little more difficult even with the tire performance difference. The Pirelli lottery combined with a push to pass just ruined some potential battles even if they were for maybe half a lap.FrukostScones wrote:He is besides him before activating DRS. No doubt he would have passed him without it. Yes, it looks a bit easy when he zooms past after DRS activation. And yes it robbed some excitement but maybe also avoided a crash.
Given that he was about 10 car lengths clear by the start/finish line, yes I really do think he would have gained that much in the breaking zone with or without DRS.Ray wrote:Without DRS do you think he would have been 2+ car lengths ahead by the braking zone? I doubt it. He would've passed him there without DRS, but he most likely wouldn't have been that many lengths ahead by the braking zone and would have had to be slightly defensive rather than sailing into the sunset. It was a great race, a great drive by Lewis, but DRS allowed too many easy passes when they should have been a little more difficult even with the tire performance difference. The Pirelli lottery combined with a push to pass just ruined some potential battles even if they were for maybe half a lap.FrukostScones wrote:He is besides him before activating DRS. No doubt he would have passed him without it. Yes, it looks a bit easy when he zooms past after DRS activation. And yes it robbed some excitement but maybe also avoided a crash.
Not by the end of the back straightaway. At least I don't think so. He got the jump on his out of the chicane but those 10 lengths came from his two lengths in the braking zone and then the jump from the two transitions in the very last chicane as well as the big one at the beginning of the straight. That's three initial acceleration zone advantages he had and even with the jump on the big chicane aero difference between the McLaren and the Ferrari aren't that big on the straights. I'm not saying that the McLaren didn't have a clear traction advantage but DRS gave him a huge jump well before the braking zone.beelsebob wrote: Given that he was about 10 car lengths clear by the start/finish line, yes I really do think he would have gained that much in the breaking zone with or without DRS.