Diesel Fumes Cause Cancer

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Some time ago I went round and round with W/B and a few others who were hot for diesel cars and thought we should all be driving them. I argued that diesel was a carcinogen and they laughed. It was close to my heart as I live in a world filled with diesel fumes and exhaust.
Well I feel I have been vindicated and now after the change in status by the World Health Organization I wonder how all those who thought diesel was the second coming feel now. Especially since even over here let alone in Europe production of diesel powered cars and trucks is ever increasing. Trading mileage for cancer in my opinion is not the smart way to go.
The World Health Organization announced Tuesday that diesel fumes may cause cancer. The fumes may be ruled as much of a public health threat as secondhand smoke.

The science panel recognized that the risk of getting cancer induced by diesel fumes is small. However, so many people are exposed and breathe in the exhaust that the classification change from “probably carcinogen” to carcinogen was important.

"It's on the same order of magnitude as passive smoking," said Kurt Straif, director of the IARC department that evaluates cancer risks. "This could be another big push for countries to clean up exhaust from diesel engines."

Because of the magnitude of exposure to exhaust, Straif said, there could be many cases of lung cancer connected to the contaminant. He said the fumes affected groups including pedestrians on the street, ship passengers and crew, railroad workers, truck drivers, mechanics, miners and people operating heavy machinery.


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Something else that may cause cancer.... best add it to that extensive list of, well, just about everything.
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Pretty much any fluid in a car can cause cancer. But regardless of these new diesel claims, I'm still looking forward to a turbodiesel in the future. (preferably in an inline six configuration...)
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Everything these days is a carcinogen.

#1 cause of death - living.
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Love the attitude. Is this what modern life has taught you? To just give up and say everything is a problem so why worry. Little like Alferd E Newman Image
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Jersey Tom wrote:#1 cause of death - living.
I think you've got a bad translation of the Tao Te Ching or something.

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Actually it is the chemical constituents in both the Diesel Fuel fumes and the combustion products in the exhaust that may be carcinogenic. Some Diesel Fuel contains Benzene (carcinogen) and other aromatic compounds. Much of it does not. The majority of Diesel Fuel is longer chain aliphatic hydrocarbons which are not carcinogenic.

The exhaust has polynuclear aromatics and other combustion products. Doesn't matter if it's biodiesel or mineral diesel. If you breath barbeque smoke you'll also be exposed to these compounds.

Another component in Diesel exhaust which is potentially quite lethal to certain people are the uncombusted spores of fungi living in the fuel. For people who are sensitized to the mold this can have remarkably bad effects.

However, in comparison to gasoline, Diesel looks pretty good.

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strad wrote:Love the attitude. Is this what modern life has taught you? To just give up and say everything is a problem so why worry.
That's about the size of it yeah, that's how I live my life. Not that I go out and am a complete maniac... but I've seen enough to say it's not worth the time sweating the small stuff.
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Well when your kid that never smoked or anything gets lung cancer as a pedestrian from the fumes emitted, come back and talk to me.
I'm 64 but the kids that work along side of me will have lung cancer in 20 years from breathing this crap. That's what it takes, 20 years. That's how they get away with it.
No sweat, I'll be dead buy y'all will be sorry.
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Better get myself checked out after reading this...
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Some Human bodies are predisposed to cancerous genes.

If you dont get it from Diesel fumes, your going to get it from your cornflakes. Just remember to take your vitamins...
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You guys do understand they are talking about exhaust fumes.
This strikes home to me for a couple of reasons. Not the least of which is that I work in a world of diesel exhaust fumes.
As I say I'll be gone but the typical gestation period for lung cancer is about 20 years. So years from now a fifth or so of my co-workers of today will develop lung cancer, Millions of people stuck in their daily commute will suffer the same fate.
Why, because the fashion of the day was to switch to diesel to eek a few more years out of petroleum based propulsion?
To continue down this path, to my mind, is like the smoker or addict who knows their addiction will kill them, but can't make the intelligent decision to quit.
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Because its too expensive to change to the alternatives strad.

The world simply cannot afford it right now.
More could have been done.
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Just another thing to add to the list of "stuff that's gonna kill me". We see something new like this every day and it is impossible to heed them all without sealing yourself away in a self-contained biosphere.

Eat red meat? You may potentially get bowel cancer. Drink fluoridated water (which is EVERYWHERE)? You have a risk of bone tumors.

I am comfortable with the fact that I'm gonna die at some point and I'm not going to stop living out of fear that society's habits may knock a few years off of my artificially long lifespan.

Now, where did I put my cigarettes?
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strad wrote:You guys do understand they are talking about exhaust fumes.
Not to be too bashing on you, but do you understand the difference between relative and absolute risk?
It's not really correct to say 'Diesel Fumes Cause Cancer'. But 'Diesel Fumes Increase Cancer Risk'.
As the risk is remote to begin with, even a high relatve increase means little extra risk.
WHO Atricle wrote:The science panel recognized that the risk of getting cancer induced by diesel fumes is small.
It's also extremely disingenuous for you to quote only some of the article.
WHO Atricle wrote:"For the man on the street, nothing has changed," he said. "It's a known risk but a low one for the average person, so people should go about their business as normal ... you could wear a mask if you want to, but who wants to walk around all the time with a mask on?"
You should be far more worried about getting run over by a diesel powered car than getting cancer from one.


It's also a logical disconnect to be extremely against diesel fumes, but have no problem with petrol fumes. Neither is good for you, one being slightly worse makes little overall difference.