Ferrari F2012

[bhall]

It's not at all out of the realm of possibility that the F2012's new exhaust had an adverse on tire degradation. In fact, that was one of the reasons why the original Acer ducts were so bad; they literally cooked the tires, which sped up their degradation.

[scuderiaF2012]

It's not at all out of the realm of possibility that the F2012's new exhaust had an adverse on tire degradation. In fact, that was one of the reasons why the original Acer ducts were so bad; they literally cooked the tires, which sped up their degradation.

hopefully the new exhaust is not really an issue; but for whatever reason it looks that it has a part in the accentuated tire degradation we've seen lately, i hope they'll refine the design and make it work better

i have faith in our team

[raymondu999]

the accentuated tire degradation we've seen lately

what accentuated tyre degradation? I haven't noticed anything to be honest.

[f1316]

The Ferrari still had better, or lesser, tyre deg than the McClaren and the Red Bull, so I don't think it was a case of the exhaust being detrimental to the tyres - relative to their competitors with similar layouts.

It may be that temperatures in that area are now higher and they may contribure to a shorter tyre life, but, as has already been pointed out, they had sufficient data from Massa's car to know the tyres wouldn't last that long - and, indeed, data from his new set to see the benefits that a stop would have yielded.

This article makes this point better than I can, although I had already noticed Massa's fastest lap amid Hamilton's charge:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18427377

[scuderiaF2012]

The Ferrari still had better, or lesser, tyre deg than the McClaren and the Red Bull, so I don't think it was a case of the exhaust being detrimental to the tyres - relative to their competitors with similar layouts.

It may be that temperatures in that area are now higher and they may contribure to a shorter tyre life, but, as has already been pointed out, they had sufficient data from Massa's car to know the tyres wouldn't last that long - and, indeed, data from his new set to see the benefits that a stop would have yielded.

This article makes this point better than I can, although I had already noticed Massa's fastest lap amid Hamilton's charge:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18427377

well, it's been worse then the other ONE stoppers; grojean and perez
if we had managed to last our tires as WELL as their cars' did, then who knows, we might have came in SECOND without having to change tires like Vettel did.

i'm not saying the NEW exhaust might have accelerated the tire wear, but it is a possibility....it's just an educated couch guess i'm throwing out there; i'm sure FERRARI know best and if there is an issue (HOPE NOT) they'll be on top of it, i have faith in our TEAM and by that i mean Pat Pry...he's done a wonderfull job so far to turn around the NOT so quick car we had just under 3 months ago, to a car we've see at the last race that was able to fight for WIN!!!!

[pisco]

Someone have notice about what up-dates on the car we will see at Valencia ???
Thanks in advance

[.poz]

well, it's been worse then the other ONE stoppers; grojean and perez
if we had managed to last our tires as WELL as their cars' did, then who knows, we might have came in SECOND without having to change tires like Vettel did.

i'm not saying the NEW exhaust might have accelerated the tire wear, but it is a possibility....it's just an educated couch guess

It's not exhaust. It's setup choices. You can setup the car for a fast warm up of tyres for qualifying or to last more in race, you can't have both. Lotus is able to make tyres last longer but has some trouble to get them to operating temperature (and probably is more sensitive to track temperature). I suspect that Lotus will have more trouble with harder compounds.

BTW Ferrari was in a similar situation in past years: very kind with tyres but unable to get them in operating temperature and with a lot of troubles with harder compound

[TheGkbrk]

It is obvious that Lotus and Sauber are the best teams on tyres. But when our closer competitors RBR and Mclaren is concerned we use the tyres better than both. So I think tyres won't be such a huge problem for us. Red Bull have to look into tyre issue because they are worst of the top 3. Also as we neaten our exhaust and the general rear end of the car we will be more smooth on the tyres.

[Mole]

Don't forget that Alonso was racing at a much faster pace than Grosjean and Perez for a lot of the race, that'd wear the tyres too.

[marcush.]

Ferarri have turned around that dog or donkey into something raceable and Alonso is right ther ein the championship hunt.
Maybe the car cannot match others in tyre degradation at this time but maybe there is more to be found considering from where they come the current situatiion is astonishing.

[Goran2812]

they surely have more performance to extract from that car regarding setup, understanding of this exhaust iteration...

[Sevach]

It's not at all out of the realm of possibility that the F2012's new exhaust had an adverse on tire degradation. In fact, that was one of the reasons why the original Acer ducts were so bad; they literally cooked the tires, which sped up their degradation.

Could be.

I have to say however that the F2012 hasn't been particularly good or bad regarding tire wear all season, they were OK on all tracks but not impressive like the Sauber and Lotus have been.

[Hail22]

http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/06/13/ferra ... t-upgrade/

Ok so "top end speed and traction" That could mean many different items coming on the car, from internal aerodynamic components to aid better airflow/diffusing drag. Retaining the Canadian exhaust profile with some small changes, no brainer is a new FW, RW, Diffuser, floor.

However in speed traps, wasn't Ferrari in the bottom end of the top 10 fastest cars? (may have been lower).

Also new sidepods would be a good idea...but in order to do that you would need to pass another crash test? :/

[raymondu999]

I think you're allowed new sidepods. The crash tubes are separate anyways

[bhall]

Ferrari can only show up with effectively a new car so many times. I think the baseline performance is there; it's just up to the team to refine it.

I'm staggered by how far the team has taken this car already. It's gone from being a pitch-sensitive nightmare that ravenously consumed its tires under slow acceleration to a low top speed to being as legitimate a contender as prevailing conditions during any given grand prix - "What are the tires gonna do this time?" - will allow.