Team: Bob Bell (TD), Norbert Haug (VP of Mercedes-Benz Motorsport), Nick Fry (CEO), Ross Brawn (TP), Geoff Willis (Technology Director), Also Costa (Engineering Director)
Drivers: Michael Schumacher (7), Nico Rosberg (8)
I don't think he'd put himself into that position...xpensive wrote:Must have been a wiiiild guess that one...marcush. wrote:
yes ..but how could he know in advance the car will not be competitive on sunday when it will dry up?
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I think that is BS. They need upgrades IMO, especially for high speed corners. How is understanding the tyre going to help there? Only DF can help.Mestrades wrote:If they put all their efforts on understanding the tyres and they learn nothing about it that means they are an incompetent team. Nothing more to add.
It's not difficult to have more downforce. For example, they could use their monkey seat every reace and they would have more downforce on the rear.zyphro wrote:I think that is BS. They need upgrades IMO, especially for high speed corners. How is understanding the tyre going to help there? Only DF can help.Mestrades wrote:If they put all their efforts on understanding the tyres and they learn nothing about it that means they are an incompetent team. Nothing more to add.
Marcus i agree with you again!marcush. wrote:seriously i think it has to do with their blowing of the wings thingy ...it dopes work only with their wing development but restricts them to a given set of wings ...and those are not really working for the high speed corners .
Mind you .the blowing has to work at yaw angles as you cannot afford to suddenly lose or engage effects of stalled wings ...
Aye, hit the nail on the head there.yener wrote:Marcus i agree with you again!marcush. wrote:seriously i think it has to do with their blowing of the wings thingy ...it dopes work only with their wing development but restricts them to a given set of wings ...and those are not really working for the high speed corners .
Mind you .the blowing has to work at yaw angles as you cannot afford to suddenly lose or engage effects of stalled wings ...
There inky tinky wing system is not helping them at all to develop a good race setup.
IMO this system is screwing up their data so it's almost impossible to find and develop a good setup.
The really problem of Mercedes is that they always have a lot of topspeed, but they lack grip at high speed corners. For three years in a row they have this problem. Maybe they should develop a car with more grip, maybe more DF and then try to get more topspeed.
For instance... Red Bull
True. We don't know the real in's and out's, that's for sure.yener wrote:It's not difficult to have more downforce. For example, they could use their monkey seat every reace and they would have more downforce on the rear.zyphro wrote:I think that is BS. They need upgrades IMO, especially for high speed corners. How is understanding the tyre going to help there? Only DF can help.Mestrades wrote:If they put all their efforts on understanding the tyres and they learn nothing about it that means they are an incompetent team. Nothing more to add.
The problem of more downforce is that it will really push the car down and the tyres will even overheat and fade away faster than it does now. Also you will sacrify top speed when you want more downforce.
Ross Brawn mentioned it earlier this week. It's not as easy as it was before. Formula 1 those days is all about managing your tyres in the right way so you will have more parameters to measure with. Like geometric settings on the suspension.
Also don't forget that those tyres have a really narrow (small) operating window. So if Mercedes find away to be in that operating window they will have more race pace. That's for sure.
Tires are worn faster and overheated due to sliding across the pavement. Downforce helps, because it reduces that sliding.yener wrote:[...]
The problem of more downforce is that it will really push the car down and the tyres will even overheat and fade away faster than it does now. Also you will sacrify top speed when you want more downforce.
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Isn't that why they sacked Bigois?Raptor22 wrote:well 3yrs of total downforce figures being too ow tells me they have a problem with their wind tunnel or their cfd software or the people using it.
This compromise thing Brawn talks about is a problem faced by all teams. Some get the balance right and I believe Newey is the master at getting a stable predictable performance from the aero package. I recall reading in an interview with him that he focuses on aerodynamics that shows as smooth a transition of the flow as possible across all speed ranges.
That suggests the wing chord profiles they design, to the overall hole in the air left by the car plays a factor in Red Bull's aero equation's. Hence you'll notice that the Red Bull's always seem to have very blunt proportionals to leading edges; eings, nose cone, fences on the wings, roll hoop. It's as if every radius has been thought out and placed for a aero stability reason. There is more detail in their car than the others. The Red Bull rides the bumps well to but if one could marry a red Bull to a Lotus you'd have a car that's x seconds a lap faster than anything, consistently. Mercedes are clearly appearing to loose thier way with the W03 as they did with the W02, and W01 before it and as Brawn did with the BGP001. Theres still some legacy issues going on there.
I believe so.Morteza wrote:Isn't that why they sacked Bigois?Raptor22 wrote:well 3yrs of total downforce figures being too ow tells me they have a problem with their wind tunnel or their cfd software or the people using it.
This compromise thing Brawn talks about is a problem faced by all teams. Some get the balance right and I believe Newey is the master at getting a stable predictable performance from the aero package. I recall reading in an interview with him that he focuses on aerodynamics that shows as smooth a transition of the flow as possible across all speed ranges.
That suggests the wing chord profiles they design, to the overall hole in the air left by the car plays a factor in Red Bull's aero equation's. Hence you'll notice that the Red Bull's always seem to have very blunt proportionals to leading edges; eings, nose cone, fences on the wings, roll hoop. It's as if every radius has been thought out and placed for a aero stability reason. There is more detail in their car than the others. The Red Bull rides the bumps well to but if one could marry a red Bull to a Lotus you'd have a car that's x seconds a lap faster than anything, consistently. Mercedes are clearly appearing to loose thier way with the W03 as they did with the W02, and W01 before it and as Brawn did with the BGP001. Theres still some legacy issues going on there.
will try and find outspadeflush wrote:Anyone knows when the next major update is planned? Havent seen one since Monaco. The top 4 teams have been regularly bringing updates all this while.
Perhaps whenever the three kings can agree on wether it is a Technical, Technology or Engineering upgrade?spadeflush wrote:Anyone knows when the next major update is planned? Havent seen one since Monaco. The top 4 teams have been regularly bringing updates all this while.
