Ferrari F2012

A place to discuss the characteristics of the cars in Formula One, both current as well as historical. Laptimes, driver worshipping and team chatter do not belong here.
Nando
Nando
2
Joined: 10 Mar 2012, 02:30

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

Ok now im with you, i also noticed now when you said it that they really are not the same thing or have the same purpose.
RB one is basically just a flap on the outside of the diffuser whereas the Ferrari one actually sends gases into the diffuser.
"Il Phenomeno" - The one they fear the most!

"2% of the world's population own 50% of the world's wealth."

mx_tifoso
mx_tifoso
0
Joined: 30 Nov 2006, 05:01
Location: North America

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

Forum guide: read before posting

"You do it, then it's done." - Kimi Räikkönen

Por las buenas soy amigo, por las malas soy campeón.

User avatar
Kiril Varbanov
147
Joined: 05 Feb 2012, 15:00
Location: Bulgaria, Sofia

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

Parts unpacked at Germany:
Image

Owen.C93
Owen.C93
177
Joined: 24 Jul 2010, 17:52

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

Image
Motorsport Graduate in search of team experience ;)

f1316
f1316
80
Joined: 22 Feb 2012, 18:36

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

Owen.C93 wrote:Image
The resonant chamber on the exhaust is back. Am I correct in saying this is in an effort to stabilise the flow coming through the exhaust, making it, and therefore the balance more, consistent?

Is there anyway in which this would boost top speed?

I notice that slot on the side of the exhaust housing is there, but it keeps disappearing come race day.

User avatar
Morteza
2308
Joined: 10 Feb 2010, 18:23
Location: Bushehr, Iran

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."~William Shakespeare

Matt Somers
Matt Somers
179
Joined: 19 Mar 2009, 11:33

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

f1316 wrote:
Owen.C93 wrote:Image
The resonant chamber on the exhaust is back. Am I correct in saying this is in an effort to stabilise the flow coming through the exhaust, making it, and therefore the balance more, consistent?

Is there anyway in which this would boost top speed?

I notice that slot on the side of the exhaust housing is there, but it keeps disappearing come race day.
Covered resonator chambers recently albeit the Red Bull one: http://www.somersf1.blogspot.co.uk/2012 ... nsion.html
Catch me on Twitter https://twitter.com/SomersF1 or the blog http://www.SomersF1.co.uk
I tweet tech images for Sutton Images

f1316
f1316
80
Joined: 22 Feb 2012, 18:36

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

Matt Somers wrote:
Covered resonator chambers recently albeit the Red Bull one: http://www.somersf1.blogspot.co.uk/2012 ... nsion.html
Very interesting, thank you. Could you possibly expland on this conclusion: "Ferrari have already been using a Resonator / Expansion Chamber this season but I feel theirs is primarily focused at tuning the exhaust length rather than utilising the benefits that can be gained under off throttle events."

Owen.C93
Owen.C93
177
Joined: 24 Jul 2010, 17:52

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

Because only Newey can be the aero genius of-course!
Motorsport Graduate in search of team experience ;)

.poz
.poz
50
Joined: 08 Mar 2012, 16:44

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

f1316 wrote:"Ferrari have already been using a Resonator / Expansion Chamber this season but I feel theirs is primarily focused at tuning the exhaust length rather than utilising the benefits that can be gained under off throttle events."
Look at the size of the resonator chamber on both Ferrari and RB: there is no way something of that size can store a volume of compressed gas big enough to blow off throttle.

IMHO on both car the main purpose of the chamber is to smooth pulses of single cylinder and changes in exhaust flow on gear shift. I think aerodynamic devices doesn't like abrupt changes in a flow.

Matt Somers
Matt Somers
179
Joined: 19 Mar 2009, 11:33

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

LOL Owen, of course not, the use of the chamber will of course help with off throttle just like Red Bull's does however if we consider that Ferrari have changed exhaust position from their original course (more than likely a more ideal tuning length) the chamber should help to bridge the gap of the exhaust runners not being their optimum size. The other thing that the chamber should do is help in a specific rev range, tuning the size of the chamber would result in a differing effect on the engines performance.
Catch me on Twitter https://twitter.com/SomersF1 or the blog http://www.SomersF1.co.uk
I tweet tech images for Sutton Images

Matt Somers
Matt Somers
179
Joined: 19 Mar 2009, 11:33

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

.poz wrote:
f1316 wrote:"Ferrari have already been using a Resonator / Expansion Chamber this season but I feel theirs is primarily focused at tuning the exhaust length rather than utilising the benefits that can be gained under off throttle events."
Look at the size of the resonator chamber on both Ferrari and RB: there is no way something of that size can store a volume of compressed gas big enough to blow off throttle.

IMHO on both car the main purpose of the chamber is to smooth pulses of single cylinder and changes in exhaust flow on gear shift. I think aerodynamic devices doesn't like abrupt changes in a flow.
I totally agree, they aren't using it to blow off throttle, however as a result of it's primary function it may also help assist in the transition from part to off throttle (aero wise)
Catch me on Twitter https://twitter.com/SomersF1 or the blog http://www.SomersF1.co.uk
I tweet tech images for Sutton Images

User avatar
Spankyham
1
Joined: 17 Dec 2011, 19:14

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

Has the bottom of the exhaust channel been raised a little? I can't find a closeup image of the same section to compare. Looks like it might have changed.

Image
"He was the fastest driver I ever saw - faster even than Fangio"
_______________________________- Mike Hawthorn on Alberto Ascari

Isak
Isak
0
Joined: 02 Feb 2011, 16:57

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

This is from Canada, seems it was always raised a little.
Image

hardingfv32
hardingfv32
35
Joined: 03 Apr 2011, 19:42

Re: Ferrari F2012

Post

.poz wrote:IMHO on both car the main purpose of the chamber is to smooth pulses of single cylinder and changes in exhaust flow on gear shift. I think aerodynamic devices doesn't like abrupt changes in a flow.
That is a myth.....

The chamber simply changes the rpm location of the exhaust's peak pressure point for best exhaust extraction.

Brian