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[PhillipM]

When was the other time? At Silverstone the McLaren loved full wets, it hated inters.

Are you sure? I remember it the other way round. That is, Hamilton was P1 on the inters, but in Q3 when wets were required they were nowhere.

That was mclarens strategy tbh....

[Owen.C93]

Are you sure? I remember it the other way round. That is, Hamilton was P1 on the inters, but in Q3 when wets were required they were nowhere.

Q2 was wet Q3 was inters.

[elf341]

yeah sorry about that, memory failed me. I think it was because I now remember that Schumacher's first Q3 run was on Wets and he got a better time than Hamilton made on inters, and then obviously MSC went even faster with the inters.

[Shrieker]

Mind boggling isn't it ? They were good on full wets and bad on inters just 2 weeks ago, now, absolutely the other way round. Assuming the tyre compounds have stayed the same (i think they have) either the upgrades or the difference between the two track surfaces is to blame. It looked like the drivers were kind of praising the upgrades brought to Hockenheim -at least in the dry- so they can't really make the car go better in the dry and bad in other conditions ? Or can they

[Hangaku]

The full wets change the ride height don't they? Must assume it's something to do with this, and McLaren's floor being sensitive in that area. Running a dry setup with wet tires seems to not work at all.

[Jackles-UK]

Second time now that the Mclaren just loses all downforce when the full wets come on..

It´s like the full wets pick the car up just outside the "Goldie-lock" zone for their ride height.

Once the rain starts to come down it's mechanical grip that pays dividends. Over the last few years McLaren have had excellent mech grip but that seems to have changed this year, the wet sessions as well as Valencia (which has a lot of slow speed zones) seem to show that.

[gato azul]

The full wets change the ride height don't they?

12.4.2 Complete wheel diameter must not exceed 660mm when fitted with dry-weather tyres or 670mm when fitted with wet weather tyres.

[myurr]

To be fair we saw something similar with previous Red Bull cars, where you would expect them to shine in the wet with all that downforce but they then struggled with a nervous and twitchy car. It probably is due to parts of the aerodynamics of that car stalling.

[myurr]

I think it's also fair to say that in this instance at least it looked like the tyres were losing temperature / going off. Hence Button pitting and then going quicker.

With all the data on Hamilton's pit wall they really do seem incapable of making the right calls in these situations...

[Nando]

Sorry, english is not my native language. Is ridiculous meaning good or bad to you? My dictionary says: ridiculous = extremely silly or unreasonable, so it can always be ridiculously good or ridiculously bad, without 'good' or 'bad' your post is confusing to me, so I asked for a clarification.

Ridiculous to me means only ridiculous to me, it´s how you word it and i agree it´s hard to judge that from reading text.
and my "style" of talking i guess.

But yes, ridiculous as in incredible. Like "wow that lap from Alonso was absolutely ridiculous!"

[Nando]

Why do Mclaren run the front end so stiff? I know it´s not a new thing.
It seems that it only hurts them in braking and causes excessive wear on the fronts.
and it looked like they had immense understeer with the full wets but that could be temps as Belse corrected me on.

Could they be running an anti-dive system that would be legal or would such a thing be noticable from another teams view?

[Pedal to the Metal]

Apart from the bad luck,the strategy with JB was great and we had arguably the fastest car,so i´m looking forward to a strong result in Hungary

[Javert]

Stunned of how we fall behind Ferrari in their principal weakness: Traction was visibly better on Alonso car, top speed is now comparable.

The updates restored dignity and downforce, but there is still work to do ... Both suspensions take my vote (front = awful directionality, specially under rain, rear = poorer traction)

[foxivan]

Why do Mclaren run the front end so stiff? I know it´s not a new thing.
It seems that it only hurts them in braking and causes excessive wear on the fronts.
and it looked like they had immense understeer with the full wets but that could be temps as Belse corrected me on.

Could they be running an anti-dive system that would be legal or would such a thing be noticable from another teams view?

Mclaren's front end was always stiff in recent years, some says it provides better rear traction.

[stefan_]