P.U.R.E Appointment

[Pierce89]

I for one never thougt that P.U.R.E was for real, where do they have their office and shop?

http://www.teos-engineering.com/

Personally I think more important is who's working for them.

P.U.R.E will not compete. All you need to know is the name of their founder. Craig Pollock started the abortion that even Shumi and Merc can't straighten out.

SCORE!! I called it 15 months ago!

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101562

When reading this more carefully, the more mysterious it got, the US-investor was obviously a decoy, but then when he mentions EU-money, the bell was ringing loud and clear, wouldn't be the first time they got taken for a financial ride?

This would the xplain a whole heap of things, remember Pollock is an EU-citizen and the "French-connection" is always a smoking gun when it comes to outrageous EU-subsidies, among them why they have managed to keep their financial backer anonymous, the EU and its financial moves are not xactly a wonder of transparency. Also why MrT released Simon without strings.

The entire PURE-thing would then be given huge EU-grants under the banner of "developing more fuel efficient drivelines"?

Propulsion Universelle et Recuperation d'Energie, American investors, yeah right, that's as EU as it gets.

[munudeges]

I wouldn't read too much into the US-connection, to my mind the usual suspects would still include Peugeot, which is almost bancrupt btw, or Mateschitz having a change of heart about the entire thing. Or it could simply be MrT realizing that the 2014 engine-regulation will never take place anyway and has advised Gilles Simon to get the hell out of there?

I'm not reading anything into the US connection because it's obviously rubbish.

Something has obviously been put on the tracks to derail this and it is unlikely we'll see anything now. If anyone was behind this it was either Peugeot (obviously not going to happen) or Red Bull wanting their own engine department. With the state of things right now that would have been highly likely to get canned. Red Bull already have Renault and they could pick and choose as circumstances allowed.

As you say, it could also be that the 2014 turbos don't happen. A lot of money has been spent so far but still more has to be spent on getting chassis into shape, testing, the whole KERS thing which is far more complicated than what we have now...... If we want to see engine development I think the only way we will see it is if the FIA relaxes rules on the current engines and allows those to be developed.

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As you say, it could also be that the 2014 turbos don't happen.
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It could still have been PSA, Mateschitz in some odd arrangement with VW or simply too much free money from Brussels.

Either way, I believe that we will see 2.4 V8s after 2013, just what MrE and his CVC-masters has asked for.

[ESPImperium]

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As you say, it could also be that the 2014 turbos don't happen.
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It could still have been PSA, Mateschitz in some odd arrangement with VW or simply too much free money from Brussels.

Either way, I believe that we will see 2.4 V8s after 2013, just what MrE and his CVC-masters has asked for.

Renault and Mercedes have rumoured to have had problems in funding and Ferrari problems in R&D.

I think we will see the 2.4L V8s in 2014 with an enhanced KERS package and massive ECU upgrade.

[pgfpro]

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As you say, it could also be that the 2014 turbos don't happen.
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It could still have been PSA, Mateschitz in some odd arrangement with VW or simply too much free money from Brussels.

Either way, I believe that we will see 2.4 V8s after 2013, just what MrE and his CVC-masters has asked for.

Renault and Mercedes have rumoured to have had problems in funding and Ferrari problems in R&D.

I think we will see the 2.4L V8s in 2014 with an enhanced KERS package and massive ECU upgrade.

I hate to say this but I think your going to be right. Its going to be the same old piece of toast just cut a different way.

[rjsa]

Dragged this from the other relaed thread:

Well WB, a few weeks ago it was set in stone, would certainly run for 2013 and the engine supplies where already deep into the development process. Tow out of these three are not true. It's only the third in need to fail now.

To me they are fading out the concept. And thet will try to make us forget it...

That's rubbish if you allow me this personal opinion. I have never said that the engines are not going to be delayed, although I still think they will not be. This fax vote is just sugar coating to demonstrate that the FiA is listening to all sides.

It started already?

I said so!

[ESPImperium]

The cost of the V6s are rumoured to cost up to €30m a season, the current cost of the V8s are €8m a season. I think with the economic climate the V6s are stupid, id just get the V8s a updated KERS and HERS with the new ECU for a budget of €12m would be much more acceptable.

These V8s are vastly reliable, however id increase the RPM limit to 19,000 again just to add that extra spice into the mix, means there could be more engine penalties. If the KERS and HERS generated up to say 20 seconds of button activation per lap with 200kW of power, id be happy to add this in as well.

However i can also see a tightening of the fuel amounts per car per weekend reduced from almost 300litres to 250litres per car and a homologated fuel tank size come in with a tightening of the exhaust regulations to exclude chambers and hermoltoz technology as well.

The V8s i feel will be with us until 2015 or 2016 at the earliest.

[Tommy Cookers]

HERS without a turbo ?

How ??

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HERS without a turbo ?

How ??

Heat recovery without a turbo? Well, there's still about one third of the fuel's energy leaving though the xhaust so I guess they have to think of something, perhaps a turbo without the compressor-part?

[SeijaKessen]

The cost of the V6s are rumoured to cost up to €30m a season, the current cost of the V8s are €8m a season. I think with the economic climate the V6s are stupid, id just get the V8s a updated KERS and HERS with the new ECU for a budget of €12m would be much more acceptable.

These V8s are vastly reliable, however id increase the RPM limit to 19,000 again just to add that extra spice into the mix, means there could be more engine penalties. If the KERS and HERS generated up to say 20 seconds of button activation per lap with 200kW of power, id be happy to add this in as well.

However i can also see a tightening of the fuel amounts per car per weekend reduced from almost 300litres to 250litres per car and a homologated fuel tank size come in with a tightening of the exhaust regulations to exclude chambers and hermoltoz technology as well.

The V8s i feel will be with us until 2015 or 2016 at the earliest.

Is that cost for the full allotment of engines for the season, or is it per engine?

[pgfpro]

HERS without a turbo ?

How ??

I agree with Tom on this one, how are you going to use a radial turbo's turbine only and still have a good "Engine Delta P"?? You won't, you will need the compressor side of the equation to do this.

So the next thing someone will say use a axial turbine. That would work at a narrow engine flow but what about the cost of new research and it still lower's the "Engines Delta P".

The radial turbo charger with generator is already a working unit. Bolt it up and plug it in done deal.

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Of course you can, the xhaust energy will still be the same.

You guys are way to busy with catchwords like "Engine delta P", without understanding the meaning of the word, very much like this forum's image-aerodynamicists with their vortexes and separations, too much web-reading and too little engineering.

[pgfpro]

The cost of the V6s are rumoured to cost up to €30m a season, the current cost of the V8s are €8m a season. I think with the economic climate the V6s are stupid, id just get the V8s a updated KERS and HERS with the new ECU for a budget of €12m would be much more acceptable.

Why do anything... just run today's same engine format for the next twenty years? That will save F1 some money.
Then as every other race program has engine advances F1 can be proud at the fact that it didn't cost them a dime. They just won't be able to use the word innovation in the same sentence when describing their engine program.

[pgfpro]

Of course you can, the xhaust energy will still be the same.

You guys are way to busy with catchwords like "Engine delta P", without understanding the meaning of the word, very much like this forum's image-aerodynamicists with their vortexes and separations, too much web-reading and too little engineering.

Trust me I know what Engine Delta P is, obviously you don't.