Ferrari F2012

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alogoc
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no!
the front wing endplates didn't work!
they will change philosophy of endplates in the next upgrade!

spanish native rumors :D :D :D
THE F2012!
THE CAR THAN WON 2012 WORLD F1 CHAMPIONSHIP WHIT A TILTED ENGINE!

bhall
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Notice the "new" front wing's flaps, which are different than the "old" front wing's flaps.
amouzouris wrote:Image
Notice the area of the car being heavily investigated.
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Owen.C93 wrote:Image
I don't think the end plates are the problem. It looks like the team is trying to solve a problem with stagnant flow around the side pod inlets.

alogoc
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yes they are clearly investigating airflow round sidepods because they intend to shrink rear low sidepod area simmilar to what Mclaren did!

and to do that they will tilt the V8!
THE F2012!
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bhall
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Please enlighten us as to precisely how tilting the engine/gearbox will solve any problem.

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bhallg2k wrote:Please enlighten us as to precisely how tilting the engine/gearbox will solve any problem.
Well, it'd shut him up, 's one benefit.

But about the only one.
Alogoc, instead of perpetuating random rumours, how about giving us a single, good reason, WHY?!

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bhallg2k wrote:Notice the "new" front wing's flaps, which are different than the "old" front wing's flaps.
Notice the area of the car being heavily investigated.
I don't think the end plates are the problem. It looks like the team is trying to solve a problem with stagnant flow around the side pod inlets.
i completely agree! that might be also the reason we had so many barge board upgrades this year....i think that that part of the sidepods is maybe one of Ferrari's problems (the other one being low speed traction)...it has been discussed at the beginning of the year as well...
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alogoc
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PhillipM wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:Please enlighten us as to precisely how tilting the engine/gearbox will solve any problem.
Well, it'd shut him up, 's one benefit.

But about the only one.
Alogoc, instead of perpetuating random rumours, how about giving us a single, good reason, WHY?!

why?

adrian newey before season:Ferrari front suspension is different just for the sake of being different?-NOT!!!

Same thing whit the engine it will give small advantage but advantage!

They say it will help whit tank position that in the team are not satisfied whit!
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bhall
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So, changing the car's center of gravity, everything about the rear suspension and rear-end aerodynamics, and the very way the car applies power to the ground are all going to help a problem with fuel tank placement?

That's tantamount to having your arm amputated to get rid of a hangnail.

superdread
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bhallg2k wrote:So, changing the car's center of gravity, everything about the rear suspension and rear-end aerodynamics, and the very way the car applies power to the ground are all going to help a problem with fuel tank placement?

That's tantamount to having your arm amputated to get rid of a hangnail.
Increasing drivetrain (which is much denser and overall heavier than some fuel) COG-height is really worth it, to lengthen the fuel tank, putting a little bit of fuel lower down.

alogoc
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bhallg2k wrote:So, changing the car's center of gravity, everything about the rear suspension and rear-end aerodynamics, and the very way the car applies power to the ground are all going to help a problem with fuel tank placement
yes! and incidentally improve car's car's center of gravity,improve car's car's rear suspension,improve rear-end aerodynamics, and improve the very way the car applies power to the ground :D

they need to improve everything,because they tried small steps after Canada and they clearly fell behind!
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bhall
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None of those changes would be an improvement. They are fundamental to a car's initial design; changing them would only make trouble.

Please drop this idea, at least here.

alogoc
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bhallg2k wrote:None of those changes would be an improvement. They are fundamental to a car's initial design; changing them would only make trouble.

Please drop this idea, at least here.
i will never mention it again!

until Spa! :twisted:
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superdread
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alogoc wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:So, changing the car's center of gravity, everything about the rear suspension and rear-end aerodynamics, and the very way the car applies power to the ground are all going to help a problem with fuel tank placement
yes! and incidentally improve car's car's center of gravity,improve car's car's rear suspension,improve rear-end aerodynamics, and improve the very way the car applies power to the ground :D

they need to improve everything,because they tried small steps after Canada and they clearly fell behind!
Uuuh, there they are, all the advantages that we asked for. Lots and lots of arguments. That most of them are rubbish is but a little stain.

1. CoG: a higher CoG is worse, increasing load on the outside tire, making the car sluggish on turn-in...., that's why they are already at the limit (lower cog for engine is in the rules, for gearbox it's the floor)
2. suspension: a higher gearbox doesn't change anything for the wishbones, pullrod... apart from a little bit more room for the damper arrangement (which doesn't do any difference, these components don't benefit from being larger)
3. aerodynamic: having the gearbox higher => more obstruction in front of the beam wing doesn't help, there is already enough space in front of the diffuser (which is at it's legal limit already)
4. the very way the car applies power to the ground: the drivetrain in its function as drivetrain does not care (tires, wheels, driveshafts, diff, gearbox, engine) together with all the points above

And that's the last time I will answer something about tilting this comprehensibly.
alogoc wrote:i will never mention it again!

until Spa! :twisted:
Could some Mod please hold him to his word?

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Pierce89 wrote:He's saying that some upgrades can only work as a package and if you use only part of it its possible to eveb lose time. However, none of us know if that's what's going on with the front wing. We can only hope [-o<
The fact that they are trying this new wing with very little changes over several weekends hints that it is part of a bigger update package. It would not take that much time to find out that it didn't work as intended.

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Matt Somerfield @ SomersF1
@alogoc could also help them to place similar ducting that Red Bull use for the tunnel system.
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39m Matt Somerfield @ SomersF1
@alogoc plausible for cog and aerodynamic reasons. May help shift the weight distribution which is key for this pirelli formula ;)
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THE F2012!
THE CAR THAN WON 2012 WORLD F1 CHAMPIONSHIP WHIT A TILTED ENGINE!