Lewis Hamilton has won the Hungarian GP at Budapest after fending off challenges from both Lotus cars. Kimi Räikkonen finished second, a mere second behind the winner while the second Lotus of Romain Grosjean completes the podium in third place.
If I could I'd downvoted on this post.Cam wrote:Regarding Shumi's start incident - where he was pushed off the grid into the pits:
41.5 Cars may not enter the pit lane when the race is suspended. A penalty under Article 16.3(a) will be imposed on any driver who enters the pit lane or whose car is pushed from the grid to the pit lane after the race has been suspended.
Was he given a penalty of any kind?? I don't recall seeing one.
Ahh, so it falls under this?Ral wrote:Race wasn't suspended so I don't think that article applies.
And they had no choice as obviously he couldn't just turn the ignition key to start the car again. The fact that he had to wait for the whole field to go past the pit exit before he was allowed to leave, was probably penalty enough.
Apologies for asking a legitimate question for which I required a valid answer, what was I thinkingDragonfly wrote:If I could I'd downvoted on this post.
. Instead of denigrating it, you might have helped by giving me the correct answer, then I might have given you a +1.Yes.Cam wrote:
Ahh, so it falls under this?
38.11 If, after returning to the starting grid at the end of the formation lap a problem arises, the following procedures shall apply :
a) If a car develops a problem that could endanger the start the driver must immediately raise his hands above his head and the marshal responsible for that row must immediately wave a yellow flag. If the race director decides the start should be delayed the green lights will be illuminated two seconds after the abort lights are switched on, a board saying “EXTRA FORMATION LAP” will be displayed and all cars able to do so must complete a further formation lap whilst the car which developed the problem is moved into the pit lane.
Understeer is less sliding, so it should conserves tyres I think. Maybe Hamilton was purposely turning with larger radii, braking earlier and going on the power early to "induce" under-steer. Yeah that's right, I think Hamilton said that the Lotus's were braking much much later than him too.raymondu999 wrote:Yep setup helps too, but I was talking more in terms of driving technique
less sliding - at the rear. But the fronts are sliding more.n smikle wrote:Understeer is less sliding
Possibly - but then again I've also heard that these Pirellis like corners to be shorter - ie a late-apex line puts less thermal into them than the Jenson-type semicircular line.Maybe Hamilton was purposely turning with larger radii
I think it's also to do with the fact that S2 is all direction change with need for a strong front, whilst Sectors 1 and 3 need less of that - the setup will inherently be compromised in some fashion. Brundle mentioned in Hungary 2011 qualifying that some drivers, around Hungary and street circuits, like to run the front end very strong - basically "get it to the apex, and sort the rest out later" as he puts it.As for the scruffy lap, as Webber said in his RedBull video, the corners come at you very fast in Hungary and the track is littered with bumps, so a fast lap is going to look very scruffy, the complete opposite of a place like Spa.
I had put this down to what various drivers had said about them not liking both lateral and longitudinal loads at the same time... You can't break and turn on them, and you can't accelerate and turn on them, so going deep into the corner, turning it quickly, and then powering out of it past a late apex meant that you took an optimal line to separate the breaking, turning and accelerating out.raymondu999 wrote:less sliding - at the rear. But the fronts are sliding more.n smikle wrote:Understeer is less sliding
Possibly - but then again I've also heard that these Pirellis like corners to be shorter - ie a late-apex line puts less thermal into them than the Jenson-type semicircular line.Maybe Hamilton was purposely turning with larger radii
Hamilton was quickest in S1 and S3, and 2nd quickest (to Grosjean) in S2 mate. The rb8's in comparison were 3rd, 4th, 7th (Vettel) and 5th, 15th, 2nd (Webber)Nando wrote:Also just realized RBR dominated the sector times in Hungary... Hamilton was nowhere except in the last sector but he was only 5th there i believe.
Bit odd i have to say..
Button did a 302.6kph, Hamilton did 302.3... That's not "vastly different?"Also noticed Button being close to the top in the speed trap but Hamilton was nowhere to be seen.
They must have been running vastly different setups on the cars.
You keep doing exactly the opposite of your quote.That's not "vastly different?"
Must have been race sectors then because Vettel was leading two while Webber had the last one.raymondu999 wrote:Hamilton was quickest in S1 and S3, and 2nd quickest (to Grosjean) in S2 mate. The rb8's in comparison were 3rd, 4th, 7th (Vettel) and 5th, 15th, 2nd (Webber)Nando wrote:Also just realized RBR dominated the sector times in Hungary... Hamilton was nowhere except in the last sector but he was only 5th there i believe.
Bit odd i have to say..
Button did a 302.6kph, Hamilton did 302.3... That's not "vastly different?"Also noticed Button being close to the top in the speed trap but Hamilton was nowhere to be seen.
They must have been running vastly different setups on the cars.
