You should have read one of the footnotes that says...timbo wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fo ... ne_driversstrad wrote:220?? Show me that list. There were for the most part, less than 25 guys that were qualified to drive and that includes ones you aint never heard of.There were 14 fatalies out of 220+ drivers competing during '60s.
220+ isn't a real total.Competed only in Indianapolis 500 events, which were included as rounds of the World Championship from 1950 to 1960.
It was a Grand Prix.SeijaKessen wrote:You should have read one of the footnotes that says...
Competed only in Indianapolis 500 events, which were included as rounds of the World Championship from 1950 to 1960.
Even if you exclude those you'd get 190+ drivers.220+ isn't a real total.
Juan Manuel Bordeu (28 January 1934 — 24 November 1990) was a racing driver from Buenos Aires, Argentina. A protégé of Juan Manuel Fangio, Bordeu had a successful early career but a bad testing accident wrecked his chances in Formula One. His only World Championship Formula One entry was at the 1961 French Grand Prix in a Lotus run by the UDT Laystall team, but the car was eventually driven by Lucien Bianchi.
Lucien Bianchi (10 November 1934 – 30 March 1969), born Luciano Bianchi, was a Belgian racing driver who raced for the Cooper, ENB, UDT Laystall and Scuderia Centro Sud teams in Formula One. He entered a total of 19 Formula One World Championship races, scoring six points and had a best finish of third at the 1968 Monaco Grand Prix
Giovanna Amati (Italian pronunciation: [dʒoˈvanna ɑ.mɑ.ti]) (born 20 July 1962 in Rome) is a former professional race car driver from Italy. She is best known as the last female driver to have entered the Formula One World Championship.[1]
Brought up in a wealthy background, Amati was kidnapped in 1978 before being released on a 800 million lira ransom. She started her racing career in Formula Abarth series before moving up into Formula Three for 1985-86. An entry into F3000 in 1987 brought little success but the following year, Amati improved her performances. She moved to Japan for 1989 and had no success. A move back to Europe in 1990 saw better performances that continued into 1991. In 1992, Amati became the fifth woman Formula One driver when she signed for the Brabham team.[2][3]
20% chance of dying was a bold statement. There were no conditions, so 220+ totally applies.SeijaKessen wrote:What are we down to then Strad?
Less than 150 now?
That 220+ was quite the bold statement.
Let this be a lesson in why quoting Wikipedia is not always a good idea.
It should encourage people to read more thoroughly through an entry before assuming it is gospel.
Look I have never physically figured it out but the common accepted number...By Jackie,,In numerous documentaries and films is 20 to 25% chance...Whatever it was it was a hell of a lot higher than today and it took 100% more balls. What a stupid thing to pick a fight over. 
While F1 was incredibly dangerous, JYS totally overstated the 25% IMHO. However, I'm with Strad, for the most part. Modernity has neutered F1. But, As I said before, I totally believe the truly great racers of today (Alonso, Hamilton, Raikkonen etc.) would have raced F1 in the 60's regardless of some alleged,out of context, quote (which was never provided in the first place, so I shouldn't really say "out of context" ).strad wrote:
There is a number and this is a technical forum, so it's worth checking out.strad wrote:By Jackie,,In numerous documentaries and films is 20 to 25% chance...
Yeah, but you know what, out of 14 fatalities during 60s, less than half of the drivers had more than 10 Grand Prix races under their belt. So, maybe, just maybe, in some cases that balls you talk about, messed with the mind a bit.strad wrote:Whatever it was it was a hell of a lot higher than today and it took 100% more balls.
I think some facts can be twisted a totally wrong way, especially if they are wrong themselves. After all, Jackie was always a safety promoter. 25% figure is not something to celebrate over.strad wrote:What a stupid thing to pick a fight over.
I don't believe it is safety which neutered F1. If anything it is multi-million corporations involved in the sport today.Pierce89 wrote:However, I'm with Strad, for the most part. Modernity has neutered F1.
Well one has to wonder what sort of ego deflation might have occurred had Lewis raced in the 70s.Pierce89 wrote:While F1 was incredibly dangerous, JYS totally overstated the 25% IMHO. However, I'm with Strad, for the most part. Modernity has neutered F1. But, As I said before, I totally believe the truly great racers of today (Alonso, Hamilton, Raikkonen etc.) would have raced F1 in the 60's regardless of some alleged,out of context, quote (which was never provided in the first place, so I shouldn't really say "out of context" ).strad wrote:
Don't think so. I would get on the record saying that the best drivers of today are the best ever in terms of skills. Not in terms the pure talent, as it is random thing, and there are clear genius racers that transcend time. But talent alone don't make you faster.SeijaKessen wrote:Well one has to wonder what sort of ego deflation might have occurred had Lewis raced in the 70s.
Since Lewis does think quite highly of his own legend, why just imagine were he paired up with Ronnie Peterson on the same team.
I could see Lewis thinking he just set a blistering lap in his perfectly setup car, only to watch Ronnie lap at 1 to 2 seconds better with some garbage setup.
timbo wrote:20% chance of dying was a bold statement. There were no conditions, so 220+ totally applies.SeijaKessen wrote:What are we down to then Strad?
Less than 150 now?
That 220+ was quite the bold statement.
Let this be a lesson in why quoting Wikipedia is not always a good idea.
It should encourage people to read more thoroughly through an entry before assuming it is gospel.
Ah yes, that whole turning the dials on the steering wheel skill.timbo wrote:Don't think so. I would get on the record saying that the best drivers of today are the best ever in terms of skills. Not in terms the pure talent, as it is random thing, and there are clear genius racers that transcend time. But talent alone don't make you faster.SeijaKessen wrote:Well one has to wonder what sort of ego deflation might have occurred had Lewis raced in the 70s.
Since Lewis does think quite highly of his own legend, why just imagine were he paired up with Ronnie Peterson on the same team.
I could see Lewis thinking he just set a blistering lap in his perfectly setup car, only to watch Ronnie lap at 1 to 2 seconds better with some garbage setup.
Yeah, while pulling 4gs in Maggot's-Beckett's.SeijaKessen wrote:Ah yes, that whole turning the dials on the steering wheel skill.
Forgot about that.
