Jackie Stewart F1 legends question (aka is F1 too safe)

[SeijaKessen]

Everything is somehwat on topic then comes you,

"Just think...Dan Gurney's Eagle hit 196MPH during the 1967 Belgian Grand Prix."

And away we went...

We were talking about Spa.


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[mx_tifoso]

I deleted all of the personal comments from the latest page as they were abismal. If you don't have anything "decent" to say, then keep away from the submit button.

[Cold Fussion]

That's ok Nando.
I know you need to believe Hamilton and Vettel are the epitome of greatness.

And you really need to believe in the made up fact that today´s driver´s are a bunch of pussies...

It´s absolutely hilarious and shows that you simply are stuck mentally in the past. Like old folks you know.

Ah but Nando...how much F1 have you actually watched prior to say...well maybe 2007/8?

Not that there would be anything wrong with not having seen a bit of the past mind you, but you seem to lack a certain ability to see beyond the present moment.

How much live racing have you watched from the 50s/60s/70s? I think it very difficult to believe that you can think racing is more enjoyable because it more dangerous after you watch countless drivers die in horrific accidents or burn to death being trapped upside down in cars.

[strad]

It is that it is more dangerous,,,not that anyone wants to see anyone die.
It's the cheating of death that is important.
Have you never heard Jackie or one of the other speak of how beautiful andf wonderful life was when you cheated death?
BTW...I have been following sine the early 60s and I have wept over every one, but I and in many many cases they wouldn't have changed a thing.
There are lots worse ways to die and we all have to.

[SeijaKessen]

How much live racing have you watched from the 50s/60s/70s? I think it very difficult to believe that you can think racing is more enjoyable because it more dangerous after you watch countless drivers die in horrific accidents or burn to death being trapped upside down in cars.

Perhaps we should legislate laws taking away people's freedom of choice to do what they like with their lives?

I don't recall anyone holding a gun to the head of the drivers of those days telling them their only career choice was to go racing...maybe you know something I don't?

So long as the risks are known to those willing to participate, I see no reason why we should stop them.

You can consider it a death wish, but I call it free will.

Things become much more interesting when drivers have to factor in other risks involved...not to mention you wouldn't see this idiocy currently exhibited by some where they feel due to the overly safe nature of the cars, they have license to cause shunts that in prior eras, they would not have done. We'll see how well people yield untenable positions when trying to do something stupid can kill themselves or another driver.

This was all part of the allure and thrill of F1 years ago.

[SeijaKessen]

It is that it is more dangerous,,,not that anyone wants to see anyone die.
It's the cheating of death that is important.
Have you never heard Jackie or one of the other speak of how beautiful andf wonderful life was when you cheated death?
BTW...I have been following sine the early 60s and I have wept over every one, but I and in many many cases they wouldn't have changed a thing.
There are lots worse ways to die and we all have to.

Yes, yes.

How dare we allow people to experience the joy and thrill of cheating of death!

[timbo]

Have you never heard Jackie or one of the other speak of how beautiful andf wonderful life was when you cheated death?

And yet it was Jackie who pioneered the safety movement.

[marcush.]

todays drivers would simply not have survived in the old days..I think Button is one of those who would have but all the others would have experienced a fate similar to Villeneuve or the other countless drivers we lost back then .
It´s hugely different these days because back then taking a risk was putting your life and others on the line when todays takinga risk ends usually in a dnf and bent suspension if you get it wrong.
sometimes lighting strikes of course as racing will never be absolutely safe...see massa see Maria Vilota but it is a completely different situation these days.

[Cold Fussion]

It is that it is more dangerous,,,not that anyone wants to see anyone die.
It's the cheating of death that is important.
Have you never heard Jackie or one of the other speak of how beautiful andf wonderful life was when you cheated death?
BTW...I have been following sine the early 60s and I have wept over every one, but I and in many many cases they wouldn't have changed a thing.
There are lots worse ways to die and we all have to.

If you want to see more danger then you are going to see more deaths, you can't have it both ways.

[strad]

Have you never heard Jackie or one of the other speak of how beautiful and wonderful life was when you cheated death?

And yet it was Jackie who pioneered the safety movement.

And it was Jackie who said we've gone too far.
The first steps were excellent, but at this point even Sir Jackie says it's been emasculated.

[timbo]

And it was Jackie who said we've gone too far.
The first steps were excellent, but at this point even Sir Jackie says it's been emasculated.

Could you provide a direct quote in context? He could mean a zillion different things, but I'm 99% percent sure that he didn't argue against improved cockpit protection, runoffs, HANS etc (I leave 1% cause Jackie is human and therefore could have a brain-fade that day).

[SeijaKessen]

Look at this video from the Pikes Peak 2012...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEUrEPPA ... r_embedded[/youtube]

You guys need to relax.

Car safety is fantastic. Both drivers had only minor injuries...the worst was a dislocated shoulder.

No need for all these ridiculous runoff areas.

No barriers on a mountain road and these guys go out there and do it.

Just like if safety was lessened in track design, F1 drivers would still drive...well maybe except Petrov and a couple of others.

[beelsebob]

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http://vimeo.com/19702893
The fact that one serious accident was survived with minor injuries does not imply that all serious accidents are survived in a similar way.

[SeijaKessen]

Yes but Bob, let's be honest, the cars are designed with safety in mind, whereas 20, 30, 40, and 50 years ago they were designed to go as fast as possible with any safety considerations an afterthought.

Still my point remains, no one forces people to go racing.

The way some talk, they make it sound like people are forced into it.

If you want to race, you accept the risks.

Racing has always been about risk, that is till recent times when everyone decided people needed to be saved from themselves. The risk is very much what attracted many to racing because it was a fantastic way to get thrills and live life on the limit.

Consider this...

The golden age, and the tracks of legend, wouldn't be what they are/were if it had not been risky business.

All of the legends of F1, and motorsports at large became legend because they were willing to do things no one else was willing to.

In 20 years, who on the grid other than Schumacher will be considered a legend the way Fangio, Clark, Peterson, and Bellof were? No risk, no legend.

[strad]

The golden age, and the tracks of legend, wouldn't be what they are/were if it had not been risky business.

All of the legends of F1, and motorsports at large became legend because they were willing to do things no one else was willing to.

In 20 years, who on the grid other than Schumacher will be considered a legend the way Fangio, Clark, Peterson, and Bellof were? No risk, no legend.

Big thumbs up....That's it in a nutshell.