2012 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa

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turbof1 wrote:One should not forget they are using the medium and hard tyres. I think a one stopper will be the preferable strategy here.

What I think we'll see is a problem to get enough temperature into the the hard compound, might be in the disadvantage for Button.
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raymondu999 wrote:Spa is low wear because of the few traction zones, but high deg, because of the energy in the corners of S2 (and Blanchimont, naturally)
will the deg be that high? won't the tyres have plenty of time to cool down on the long straights in S1 and S3?
Deg isn't quite about how much heat is "kept" in the tyre - it's about a cumulative history of your tyre vs heat - ie every Joule of heat into it will degrade it. Don't forget that long straights can also generate heat in tyres due to the tyre constantly deforming to form the contact patch, and "bouncing back" to its round shape.
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The squarer profile of the tires makes them deal with the stress of driving straight much better than last year's tire. I remember reading somewhere Hamilton was describing what made the tires wear, he said something along the lines of: the tires have good grip but they fall apart when you push the slip angles, and that he was struggling to adapt his driving style to attempt to rotate the car with less slip angle.

I don't think Button's problem is getting enough heat into the tires, if you remember in Australia Button didn't have that problem, nor in Germany. I think it's that his driving style, which relies on a well balanced chassis gets interrupted when the tires don't wear evenly, and the uneven wear changes the balance of the car, which in turn ruins his confidence in the car or his ability to push.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102010

"Pirelli says Spa tyre selection should allow drivers to push"

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godlameroso wrote: I think it's that his driving style, which relies on a well balanced chassis gets interrupted when the tires don't wear evenly, and the uneven wear changes the balance of the car, which in turn ruins his confidence in the car or his ability to push.
If this were true it suggests he would be fast on brand new tyres and get progressively slower and slower. When he has been off the pace he has been just generally slow consistently I thought.
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Weather forecast at this time indicates that it will be clear on Saturday with a temperate of around 15 Celsius, and clear on Sunday with a temperature of around 18 Celsius. Relatively cool air, and sunshine. Happy or sad, I can't decide.
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zyphro wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102010

"Pirelli says Spa tyre selection should allow drivers to push"
thing is, will they or will they take advantage of the fact they are more durable and do 1 less stop of something.

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I think for a place like Spa, as with Canada, you'll see teams gravitate towards each's own "best race pace scenario" - because traffic isn't as much of a problem, given the ease of overtaking. For some that might be a single stop, for others, that will be a two stop. Track position doesn't help you as much here as it does in some places like Hungary
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I have read that Mclaren will possibly be running a Double-DRS system at Spa like Lotus. The system works differently to Lotus' and Mercedes' systems. According to Sam Michael. We roughly know how Lotus have their system working, and now we know all about the Mercedes system. Anyone want to have a guess how the Mclaren system will work ?
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NathanOlder wrote:I have read that Mclaren will possibly be running a Double-DRS system at Spa like Lotus. The system works differently to Lotus' and Mercedes' systems. According to Sam Michael. We roughly know how Lotus have their system working, and now we know all about the Mercedes system. Anyone want to have a guess how the Mclaren system will work ?
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raymondu999 wrote:I think for a place like Spa, as with Canada, you'll see teams gravitate towards each's own "best race pace scenario" - because traffic isn't as much of a problem, given the ease of overtaking. For some that might be a single stop, for others, that will be a two stop. Track position doesn't help you as much here as it does in some places like Hungary
This quote from Pirelli that drivers will be able to push for every lap of the race on the harder tyres also leads you to believe that having to make up time for additional stops might be possible.

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It does. The pitlane length isn't too bad at Spa - I think (though I could be wrong) slightly shorter than the season average. I remember last year Vettel pitted on lap 5 with only 2s or so of a lead, then by lap 10 he was within 6s of the leaders.

However again, I suspect the deg for some cars are lower than others, and so they don't lose much time by running longer (I'm looking at the Sauber/Lotus cars) and hence their cars might be suited for a tyre management exercise better.
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If the weekend is dry, is Ferrari expected to do well, or is it another case of just get as many points as possible and hope for the best?
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To be honest - the Ferrari IMO has been the most consistently competitive car since Spain. It's alwyas been a factor for victory (except Hungary) - and no other car (to memory) can claim that of their cars. Autosport noted it too in their last edition. The MPH column by Mark Hughes.

It might not always be quickest, but it's always there.

Not sure though - Alonso's driven brilliant this year, but if there's a track where he looks average, it has generally been Spa IMO. He had his worst q result of 2011 in Spa, and he spun with no pressure at all in 2010.

Mind you - whatever happens, Alonso will leave Belgium still championship leader by (at the very least) 15 points, and I suspect it will be more than that.
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For ferrari it will be an important weekend. The pace you have there is an indicator for the rest of the season. They can't afford alot of such weekends like hungary. Others might take eachothers points, but there are way too many races yet to gamble on that. So Spa: certainly the circuit where things will get serious.
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