Mercedes AMG F1 W03

[aral]

[Mod edit - a lot of rant posts have been deleted before this post.]

Thread seems to have degenerated again! i understood that technical details of the W03 were supposed to be discussed!

Back on topic. Has anyone got photos of the Lotus device that Merc tried briefly yesterday?

[FoxHound]

Thread seems to have degenerated again! i understood that technical details of the W03 were supposed to be discussed!

Back on topic. Has anyone got photos of the Lotus device that Merc tried briefly yesterday?

Note the difference in the air intakes.











And this is how it is alleged to work:

[Metalrulz]

So does that actually stall the beam wing then ?

Surprising that nico states that "the car is not one of the quickest on this track" wasn't the car supposed to be one of the quickest cars due to the long straights with the DDRS ? It was slow even on the tight twisty Hungaroring.. so as per Nico which track would suit the W03 then ?
http://www.mercedes-amg-f1.com/en/#/s/n ... lan-so-far

[Vasconia]

Taking into account that Rosberg will start at 23th position they could re-introduce this new ddrs and start from the pit, at least it could be a good opportunity to check the sistem properly. What do you think?

[marcush.]

just take a look at the track map and you can easily see that Spa is two sectors where power and speed is dominant and one sector that is almost pure cornering .
W03 in the hands of Schumacher is Q3 material in Sector 1(-0.2s) and 3(-0,3s) but is consistently a whole second and a half off a competitive time in sector 2 ...You don´t need to be aerodynamicist to understand there is something BIG missing in a sector that is pure cornering - The track has NO stop and go in that area -so forget braking and traction in that sector just carrying speed through long high g corners....
Why should one not be allowed to put forward criticism over the cars and teams ability to produce competive laptimes? They have the budget ,they have the people there is absolutely no excuse to struggle getting into Q3 this year.they have everything needed ,but Rosberg is half a second quicker than Marussia in Sector2 -MARUSSIA
pathetic.

[yener]

And this is the prove of MGP failing again.

Mercedes has a problem. The car doesnt have enough downforce especially the rear part of the car. To compromise that they changed the front wing cascades as it was creating more downforce at the front which made the car wigly and unbalanced.

Now here is the problem.

When you have not enough DF at the rear you have to start to think how you can create more downforce instead of sacrifice frond DF to have a better balance.
For instance: when i have a flat tyre I will replace that tyre just like every other human being will do. Only an imbecile will stab the remaining 3 tyres to compromise.

Problem 2

Lets take an usual home - work traffic car for instance. When you car has no grip at the rear you have to find out why. Easy stuff like air pressure - profile - suspension. If you have done that and still cant find the reason of lacking grip you have to look further.
But you have to look at the area which is causing the problem. Putting new carbonfiber mirrors wont help you gaining grip at the rear.

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Mentioned before. RBR is not the fastest car on topspeed, but at least they don't have downforce problems. Going to the season they are trying to generate more topspeed while they keep or even improve their DF points.

[Owen.C93]

So you're saying they should add downforce instead of taking it away? Interesting.
/s

[Richard]

Take it to the team thread.

Thread seems to have degenerated again! i understood that technical details of the W03 were supposed to be discussed!

Done. Although the rants in CAPITALS have gone to the big RANT-FORUM-IN-THE-SKY

[superdread]

And this is the prove of MGP failing again.

Mercedes has a problem. The car doesnt have enough downforce especially the rear part of the car. To compromise that they changed the front wing cascades as it was creating more downforce at the front which made the car wigly and unbalanced.

Now here is the problem.

When you have not enough DF at the rear you have to start to think how you can create more downforce instead of sacrifice frond DF to have a better balance.
For instance: when i have a flat tyre I will replace that tyre just like every other human being will do. Only an imbecile will stab the remaining 3 tyres to compromise.

Problem 2

Lets take an usual home - work traffic car for instance. When you car has no grip at the rear you have to find out why. Easy stuff like air pressure - profile - suspension. If you have done that and still cant find the reason of lacking grip you have to look further.
But you have to look at the area which is causing the problem. Putting new carbonfiber mirrors wont help you gaining grip at the rear.

Maybe they don't know how to add rear DF in a way that doesn't completely ruin their drag. And removing the FW cascades is so much easier than redesigning the complete rear.

PS: Your analogies stink. They don't work. Their rear wing isn't kaput (it just doesn't work as well as hoped) and changing something in the front certainly affects the rear (balance- and aero-wise).

[Ozan]

So you're saying they should add downforce instead of taking it away? Interesting.
/s

Today they qualified with NO-cascade front wing. This happened because the car lacks REAR downforce, so the team removed the cascades to balance front and rear. So, they need to find Rear downforce and put back the cascades again.

[Joie de vivre]

So you're saying they should add downforce instead of taking it away? Interesting.
/s

Today they qualified with NO-cascade front wing. This happened because the car lacks REAR downforce, so the team removed the cascades to balance front and rear. So, they need to find Rear downforce and put back the cascades again.

Sherlock

[Mestrades]

And remember that today the car has used the DDRS, tomorrow only when overtaking a car... So I predict no fight for points and a pathetic pace!

[siskue2005]

When you have not enough DF at the rear you have to start to think how you can create more downforce instead of sacrifice frond DF to have a better balance.
For instance: when i have a flat tyre I will replace that tyre just like every other human being will do. Only an imbecile will stab the remaining 3 tyres to compromise.

[Metalrulz]

Taking into account that Rosberg will start at 23th position they could re-introduce this new ddrs and start from the pit, at least it could be a good opportunity to check the sistem properly. What do you think?

If they don't take this opportunity... facepalm.

They only time they ran it was on friday which was a washout and since nico had a gearbox problem in warmup they did not get an opportunity to test it completly.. maybe just maybe for monza.. i believe that the passive f-duct will help alot at monza as it can be used anytime and at any given point of the track unlike DRS. But by stalling the rear wing no doubt gives a straight line boost but what gear ratio will they have to set top gear on. and arent the gear ratios set during winter testing ?

[zyphro]

Visible changes to come after Monza:

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 90147.html

What will we see? I'm not hoping for much.